Unleaded petrol mixed with Diesel in a Chrysler 2.5CRD

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Petrol is more volatile. Kerosene is much more similar to diesel.

 

No, they're fully miscible.

 

Except that that the VSR cure is a £150 head machining job and this
problem could cost more than the car is worth.

 

I sent him a reasoned well thought out critique and asked him to comment.
No answer wehn it first came out. Most of it was bollocks then and it's
probably the same now. IF you brimmed it with neat petrol, then all you
need to is drain and refill the tank (with diesel). There's no reason to
spend seven grand cleaning the bloody pumps out - just present it with
diesel and switch on.

 

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Surely it's wiser to take the safe option here - especially if the

Erm, engine hasn't been run yet?

 

Heh. I know people say a car with 12 month's ticket is worth about £300
all day long no matter what it is.... but you have to draw the line at a
shite old Sierra.

 

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huge holes in the bodywork , and can pass an MOT
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Apparently on date Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:49:04 +0000, Zog The Undeniable

By what the SP was saying, it's going to cost that to prevent it. Seems to me
if the solution is to replace all the components of the fuel system, including
pump, injectors, filters and high pressure pipes, plus perhaps even the fuel
tank, then you might just as well run these parts to destruction and replace
them when and if that happens.

Goodness knows how Honda think a dead diesel pump will damage the transmission,
but I can see all manner of reasons to recommend replacing pretty much the
whole car, if I was selling thousands of pounds worth of parts if my advice was
taken. Given even a tenuous excuse.

 

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Given a CRD can cost up to thirteen grand less then the OP's car when new,
that's hardly surprising.

 

I would like to confirm that it is a load of bollocks. It does serve a
purpose though. That is, to make people think hard before filling their
tank.

Huw

 

OK you kind people

Many thanks for your helpful input, Here's the update

Because the silly moo had already accepted the RAC mans view that it
was safe to drive and brought it home from 3 miles away I decided to
take a gamble and NOT have the thing flushed out and take your good
advice on the ****riskier option****

I dumped half a litre of Diesel engine oil into the petrol tank last
night and took it out on a 50 mile round trip, topping off the tank
with £8 worth of diesel afterwards

This morning I drove it for about almost 80 miles and topped up with
Diesel again before carrying on another 120 miles and topping up once
more with the right stuff

I have to say that I havent noticed anything untoward at all, and I've
had the music turned off all the time, if anything, the engine appears
to have been running sweeter than usual and the other noticeable
difference is the smell of the exhaust, which is different but not
alarmingly so

Fair enough, some have said that effects may be apparent only in the
long term, but as far as I can see right now I may have got away with
it

Cheers

Mike

 

And where do you buy for £300 a fully running car, MOT and no particular
mechanical issues in the near future. With some luck, I suppose.

 

I have to say that I havent noticed anything untoward at all, and I've
had the music turned off all the time, if anything, the engine appears
to have been running sweeter than usual and the other noticeable
difference is the smell of the exhaust, which is different but not
alarmingly so

huw
That'll be the oil.


Fair enough, some have said that effects may be apparent only in the
long term, but as far as I can see right now I may have got away with
it

Cheers

Mike

huw again
Happy motoring and don't give it another thought let alone a worry.

Huw

 

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I'm not sure about that Huw

In fact, what is a VM unit ?

All I know in my ignorance is it's a 2.5 liter common rail turbodiesel

It used to be quite noisy, till my missus dumped a tenners worth of
unleaded in it and drove it home again !

On the whole it has been a pretty good car Huw, it is my wifes
familymobile and I only drive it when I have to, but I must say I enjoy
it, you can even throw it into bends if you're a bit careful, for a big
MPV it handles more like a saloon

Reversing it aint easy, you cant see much behind you and parking spaces
in the UK don't seem big enough for it

The Turning circle is not fantastic too but hey, it is a long vehicle

The main bugbear I've had reliability wise was the brake discs ( rotors
) which needed replacing after just one year and 12,000 miles !!! (
Rhymes with PLANK ! )

This was OUTSIDE of the warranty and classed as a ****wear and tear****
item, much to my disgust, I have a Lexus LS430 that warps one front
disk about every 15,000 miles ( a known common issue ) and Lexus give
me a new pair and throw in Free front pads too, big difference !

Also our GV is too old to have the stow and go seating (2004 MY
onwards) which I imagine would be a BOON !

The seats in ours are nice, leather upholstered etc but they weigh an
absolute ton, a single "Captains chair" needs a bit fit chap to remove
it, the badly named "Easy Out" roller seat in the rear, a bench seat
for 3 pax, takes 2 bodybuilders to remove and 3 to re-fit

Once yopu take them out you need somewhere safe to store them and they
are BIG !

Having said all that, the stow&go seats look very thin and wimpy in
comparrison


Thanks a lot for your valued opinions By The Way Huw


Regards

Mike

 

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hmm, slightly better.

Actually, the average warranty labour rate is about £42. Some
manufacturers supply the parts for warranty uninvoiced (VW/Audi/Seat do
I know), so there is no opportunity to make anything at all.

But then I'm considering many more factors than you are. A drain and
refill might take a couple of hours or so, and we could charge for a bit
more, but then that is how the techs make bonus isn't it?

The insurance or warranty repair is a much larger job, fixed by a
standard book time, and discounted parts. It could take a full 4-5 hours
to do the components replacement, or a lot more if the engine goes. Some
of the modern engines are complex enough that you don't get them done
much quicker than book time anymore.

So, work out a, say, 18 hour engine replacement at 100% efficiency, or a
drain and flush and 16 hours of servicing at 130% efficiency.

I work it out that we make about £300 extra by not doing the big repair
on labour alone. We also get a much larger margin on fast moving service
parts too. So yes, it's more profitable to do the flush.

Hmm, I hope I don't buy a car from your garage. One thing you seem to
have forgotten is 'liability', if the manufacturer recommends we do a
job a certain way, we basically have to do it that way, it has **** all
to do with stitching up the consumer - they already did that all by
themselves when they insisted on liability, block excemption and data
protection. All we do now is to cover our arses.