Unleaded petrol mixed with Diesel in a Chrysler 2.5CRD

In that case it may have the VM diesel CR unit. Does it?
Anyhow, I had a look at one of these the other day while visiting the dealer
to study the 300C [i think it was called]. It had many good features. I
liked the versatile seating, not that I have studied the rivals to any
extent.

Huw

 

Grow up mate. The mishap always happens immediately before the failure.
Everyone knows that.

Huw

 

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It's damage caused by driver error so I don't see why not.

If you drove into a river, the insurance would cover you for putting your car
right, no?

 

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Don't fucking start this agin with me Huw! You go and prove it wrong
then!

This time I can get documentaion to prove that I'm right!

As I say, prove it. Companies that spend millions on R&D say otherwise,
so who's a bloke on usenet to argue eh?

Not the ones I deal with.

No it isn't, it's negligence.

We certainly don't make a mint, even out of this job.

 

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Indeed, but the bias of expenditure on the design and build of the car
is controlled by the consumer demand for the extra gadgets.

 

That depends on the manufacturer. I do know some that actively design
their cars based on customer feedback and research.

 

I suppose that depends on the size of the claim. All petrol stations do
have videos that they use for run-offs. Who towed your car away, and to where?

 

You may be right if the damn tank is filled with petrol but you are pissing
in the wind if you think a fair percentage well under 50% of a tankful will
cause damage. Now you may huff and puff and swear until Christamas and
beyond on this but plenty of cars are accidentally charged with a bit of
petrol now and again with no adverse effect. Of course if the driver fills
it too full or if the main dealer is called then they will consider it as a
profit opportunity because that is their business.
It's no skin off my nose either way, so don't get your knickers in a twist
over it.

The clearances on these things are so small that even a hint of excess wear
will have near immediate consequences. I don't believe any manufacturer
would argue with this though you appear to for some reason.

That shows how much you know then doesn't it. I know of several BMW systems
that have gone down under warranty. Also Peugeot CR pumps. They are far less
reliable than old rotary pumps and very much more expensive to repair.

All accidents could be called negligence in a blame culture. Fact is, it is
covered by warranty just as a petrol station filling a storage tank with
incorrect fuel would pay out for any repairs caused as a result. Live with
it and don't knock it because it provides a safety net for owners.

If your workshop manager and parts manager are doing their job properly then
it will be one of the most profitable jobs they get. A lot of the parts can
be stored and reused and there are plenty of other perks on top that I know
of. I know how the business works and what needs to be done to keep it
going.

Huw

 

I would agree with that.

Huw

 

The claim would be against ones own insurance and by the time a claim is
processed it will be an old story and anyway you did not realise that petrol
was involved until a few days after the last fill-up by which time there
will be some petrol in the tank, won't there. Anyhow, go ahead and pay from
your own pocket on top of your insurance premiums if you feel strongly about
it and can afford it. I am certainly not telling you to cheat the insurance
company, after all you will firmly believe that the petrol you put in months
before was the culprit.

Huw

 

Replace 'warranty' with 'insurance'

 

Sell it and screw over some poor sap who doesn't know better?

 

Ford have already produced a system to prevent mis-fuelling. From
memory it uses a mechnical device to detect that the nozzle is too
small (ie petrol not diesel) and stop the nozzle being inserted. See
http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=22068

Tony

 

Cor - I could run cars for forty years on that gap.

 

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Electric cup holders improve emmisions? Wow!

 

My car cost £300 five years ago and it's still worth £300.

 

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Total bollocks, we could make almost as much out of a simple drain,
flush and refill. When it goes to insurance we have to discount the
parts and labour.

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We haven't yet had a warranty failure on a Honda system, reread what I
said.

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Do you now. You obviously haven't any idea of the new dealer standards
and how closely we have to work with the manufacturer now. The public
wanted 'Block Excemption', and now they've got it.

If the repair is under warranty, then we make nothing on parts and have
a very fixed control over the labour (at a vastly reduced hourly rate).
If it goes to insurance, we still have to reduce the cost of the parts
and labour to get the job approved.

It could be almost as profitable, and more desireable for all parties to
be presented with a vehicle we can simply drain and flush.

As for the parts, do you *really* think we'd sell them on again having
just removed them from a vehicle because we are advised they are unfit
for use?

 

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<thud>
(sound of Andy falling over).

 

Sure. But if that happened, you would immediately have your car towed into a
garage for assessment and repair; not driving around for a couple of months after
been pulled out of the water before claiming on the insurance...

 

Only very slightly and the number of parts you change is almost criminal. I
wasn't born yesterday and have a good knowledge of the trade. Many practices
are less than borderline honest. Don't tell me that you make as much from a
simple drain and refill as from a 3k refit of fuel system or a 10k engine
and fuel system repair. These figures are yours by the way.

Good. Long may they remain reliable.

I know exactly how the warranty system works and how difficult it is to make
money within it. Insurance gives a far greater profit opportunity.

Then you are very different to any other franchise who give a standard stock
order and labour cost less a percentage. For instance some discount the
standard labour rate by 20% which means a £60 rate is discounted to £48. Big
deal, there is still profit there unless overheads are just too high.



and have

Ah. See above.

I do not believe so.

If you were an efficient dealer and knew there was nothing wrong with the
parts then they would be perfectly good for fitting to stock used cars of a
certain age. the only cost would be storage. I guess that it is these
details that make the difference between an efficient family business and a
big dealer group with 'here today gone tomorrow' attitude.

Huw