Unleaded petrol mixed with Diesel in a Chrysler 2.5CRD

About half and half. Franchise parts are all genuine while other makes are
mostly, but not all, pattern.

Shorts conveniently say water ingress which we know is not correct. We will
not argue with that diagnosis for reasons which should be obvious. Our own
fitters' opinion is that the valves stuck due to the high volume of EGR in
these engines and the gunk that builds up on the inlet valves as a result.
Many of those Mercedes CDi engines meet the same fate by all accounts.
Shorts have three failures in now including ours.
The air filter was absolutely dry with crisp leaves in the housing, yet they
say water ingress LOL.

Huw

 

Probably is their wording - of course, since everyone else out there is
doing the
same thing, these bozos don't realize the intimidation factor is gone in a
puff of
smoke.

Ted

 

Hmm.. are you really sure of this?

In the US "premium" gasoline costs quite a bit more than "regular" I cannot
recall a single time in the last 20 years (have I really been driving that
long,
Jesus I'm old!) that I have mistakenly fueled with Premuim than Regular, and
thus had to pay the extra money for gasoline that is pretty much worthless.
And keep in mind also that I live in a No-Self_service state so not only do
I have to pay close attention to the minimum-wager who is doing the
fueling, the minimum-wager has a vested interest in selecting the more
expensive grade of fuel! (during this time I also have owned a motorcycle
and ridden it as a daily commuting vehicle, and the attendants don't
even try fueling bikes - that I do myself)

And that's just making a mistake between 2 different grades of gasoline,
that come out of the same hose. The thought of doing it with Diesel, which
comes out of a completely different hose althgether, one that's painted
green
not black, is even more farfetched.

Ted

 

tank capacities are often different for diesel and petrol models - so I
assume the tank is different also

 

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What's that all about then?

 

Oh... I was about to set off for Wales...

DAS

For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling

 

We'll meet before the Status Quo concert in Cardiff this afternoon.

Huw
who is going to rock all over the world tonight.

 

(and "...harmful over a long period.") That's what I was getting at.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

 

I was well aware it was your wife. However, if you keep referring to it
as a petrol tank, you're likely to make the same mistake.

Bill Putney
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address with the letter 'x')

 

I know you're being facestious, but ironically, that's the sad part of
it. If the automakers were to try it, they would in fact use cheap
plastic or pot metal like they did on certain engine gears and sprockets
back in the 60's (on the Vega I believe it was) - basically a materials
experiment run at the consumer's expense. That is the whole problem.
Precisely *because* it would be a system that should last a lifetime
with absolutely no problem, they would think they could make it as
cheaply as possible - ala the GM gasoline V-8 converted to diesel.

Bill Putney
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address with the letter 'x')

 

That wouldn't work - it relies on human attention. You'd have to
poke-a-yoke it (Japanese term - not sure how to spell it).

Bill Putney
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address with the letter 'x')

 

Bingo!

Bill Putney
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address with the letter 'x')

 

I agree it's hard to believe but have a look at these two reports, dated
February 2004 and August 2005 respectively. The February one refers to
both petrol into diesel and diesel into petrol mis-fuelling

<http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/news/s/80/80934_fuels_rush_in.html>
Extract: 'The AA Motoring Trust says the confusion affects an estimated
120,000 drivers a year who then face a clean-up and repair bill of up to
£3,000 - collectively that means millions of pounds'


<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2005/08/27
/mfdies27.xml>

Extract: 'The problem is seriously disabling about 155,000 diesel cars a
year. The RAC attended 50,000 cases last year, the Automobile
Association 44,000 and Green Flag more than 6,000; UK plc suffered
54,000 company diesel car misfuelling incidents''

 

It's more to do with the return from the pump filling the tank with swarf.
Although by the time you've replaced pump, lines, injectors, tank &
filters the cost of starting the engine & not starting the engine are
beginning to look similar. & why you can't filter the swarf is a good
question, if the filter lets through particles big enough to wreck the
engine then filling up on a dusty day or near a steelworks will destroy
the vehicle.

 

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I wonder how many of them are repeat offenders?

 

IF running 3 miles on a 5:1 dilution of diesel to gasoline can ruin an
engine, then the engine was designed by MORONS and isn't worthy to be on
the road anyway.

If it were mine, I'd drain and flush the tank and hope for the best. And
if damage occured, I'd never buy another common-rail diesel again in my
lifetime.

 

"Land of the free", huh?

 

No.

And I'm sure the owner doesn't give a rat's ass about you peoples'
pointless opinions on the value or aesthetics of his car either. Got
anything useful to contribute?

 

Johannes wrote:

Well, it doesn't look good for HONDA diesels if the above is true, but
in my mind "Honda" and "diesel" should never be in the same sentence
anyway. In general, common-rail diesels may be a bit more delicate than
a proper diesel should be, but I imagine that will be rectified as the
technology advances. I can't imagine Cat, Detroit Diesel, and Cummins
(all of whom are now selling common-rail engines) letting their
reputations get to sullied by sensitive engines regardless of what other
manufacturers will tolerate.

What looks worse is fuel prices right now- in my area diesel is about
$.50/gallon MORE expensive than mid-grade unleaded :-/

 

Steve () gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying :

<shrug>
It's an American car.

But I think you'll find most common rail diesels are like that - I guess
that it's actually not quite as easy as you think to produce a pump that
can reliably produce 25,000psi?