Town & Country Van

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Ford Driver, Nov 9, 2006.

  1. Ford Driver

    Ford Driver Guest

    I am looking at two 2006 Town & Country vans. One has a 3.8L engine, the
    other a 3.3L.

    Would appreciate comments re: one engine versus the other regarding
    reliability and known problems.

    Also would appreciate any known problems with 2006 Town & Country vans
    (Touring).

    Thanks for your time and comments.
     
    Ford Driver, Nov 9, 2006
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  2. Ford Driver

    ng_reader Guest

    I am on my second one, but I think it is going to be my last.

    I make no bones about it. I am a heterosexual male, with a wife and kids,
    but I *love* my Minivan. Love it.

    The first one I had, a loaded Town & Country circa 1996 ran as smooth as a
    van could. Very easy ride. But the tranny goes at 100k. Everyone always told
    me that, and I believed them, too.

    The door mechanisms on that 1996 seemed a little under-engineered, or
    perhaps the doors were just too heavy.

    That one had the bigger 3.8l. No problems at all, and it gave me excellent
    gas mileage. Just as good as the 3.3l I have now.

    The car I have now is a 2001 T&C and I think Chrysler under engineered a few
    pieces too many. The rack went out at 50k miles. I have *Never* had that
    happen. The electric door sticks in cold weather. The ride isn't as nice
    (it is not the top of the line, either), and whenever I get a rain, my big
    serpentine belts squeaks.

    Like I said, I think I am going to Honda, Toyota instead.
     
    ng_reader, Nov 10, 2006
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    Dipstick Guest

    Same basic engine. I have had Chrysler minivans with the 3.0, 3.3, and
    3.8. The 3.8 is the only one of this group to own. The 3.3 is
    underpowered. The late 80s - early 90s transmissions were weak. We
    traded our '96 off with nearly 200,000 miles and no tranny troubles.
    The '01 is going strong at 90,000. Get the 3.8 even if you have to pay
    more.
     
    Dipstick, Nov 10, 2006
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  4. Ford Driver

    Dipstick Guest

    The 3.8 will get better mileage than the 3.3. I've put 300,000 on these
    transmissions without trouble. I'm not that lucky, so they can't be
    that bad. Your belt squeals because the tensioner is bad.
     
    Dipstick, Nov 10, 2006
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    jdoe Guest

    Well the 3.3 is only on the lower end vans (ususally shorties). In that
    config. should be fine. In the long I will recommend the 3.8. They are VERY
    trouble free engines, the trans is no better or worse than any other Jap or
    not, just be sure to have it serviced regularly and PROPERLY with correct
    fluid and filter (no aftermarket allowed) and it should be fine. If you have
    any asperations to haul a load or tow make sure you get the tow group. Even
    if you don't tow it's not a bad idea to get it.
     
    jdoe, Nov 10, 2006
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    NewMan Guest

    The 3.3 and 3.8 are the same block. I have had the 3.0 and the 3.3.
    STAY AWAY from the 3.0!!! it is, without a doubt, the biggest piece
    of crap I have ever seen! When they get older they PUKE oil. I had
    nothing but trouble with my 3.0 (built by Mitsubishi)

    The 3.3 OTOH is a workhorse. The 3.3 and 3.8 are overhead valve
    engines, what this means is NO TIMING BELT! There is a timing chain,
    and it does not require frequent replacement like those pesky belts
    do! The 3.3 I had in my 1994 seemed to get better gas mileage than the
    3.3 in my 2002. I believe what one of the other posters said - if you
    get a loaded van with all the toys, then the 3.3 is likely
    underpowered and is working harder causing reduced gas mileage. I am
    currently getting about 17 MPG city and 25 MPG highway in my 2002,
    this compares with 20 MPG city and about 28 MPG highway that I was
    getting with my 1994. (I have not moved, this is driving in the same
    area and under similar condidions).

    On my 1994, I had to replace the oil pan gasket at about 150,000 kms.
    I replaced the head gasket (VERY rare on this engine) at about 128,000
    kms, and the front crank seal (less than $100) at about 178,000 kms.
    The belt tensioners on this engine tend to go between 150,000 to
    180,000. Mine started to squeek at about 158,000 so I replaced it as a
    preventive measure. Contacts in the starter required replacement
    (about $80) at 140,000 kms.

    Basically, if you PAY ATTENTION to your engine and do a litte
    preventive maintenance, you wont have major problems. My 1994 NEVER
    let me down - and I mean NEVER. Even when the trans went at about
    135,000 km, there was plenty of warning. I had it rebuilt, and then it
    got rebuilt a second time on warranty (correctly the second time!).
    After that, the trans worked well for almost another 50,000 kms. At
    about that time I had to get the solenoid pack replaced. With that
    pack replaced, it shifted better than new!

    The only really expensive repairs were the head gasket and the trans.
    Head gasket problems are rare (just my dumb luck) and the newer
    tranmissions are WAY better - as they should be! After a decade of
    experimenting on the public, you would think the finally got it right.
    ;)

    I too, LOVE my mini-van. I have the Grand Caravan, and I can get ALL
    my camping stuff in it - even the kids!

    I would strongly recommend getting the "Stow and Go" seats if you can.
    My newer van did not have them available at tha time - and I am
    jealous of neighbours who DO have them! ANyone who has had to lug
    around and find storage for removed seats will know EXACTLY what I am
    talking about!

    hth
     
    NewMan, Nov 10, 2006
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    Bob Snyder Guest

    As both engines ARE an option on the LWB vans, the real questions might be:
    (1) What kind of driving do you do and (2) How well equipped of a van are
    you looking for?

    (1) If you putter around town and spend a lot of time idling at traffic
    lights, the 3.3 will serve you well and might eek out marginally better MPG.
    On the highway, the differences MPG are negligible, but there is a distinct
    power defecit in the 3.3 that appears during rapid acceleration and climbing
    long slopes.

    (2) While the 3.3 is an option, the higher end vans tend to favor the 3.8 as
    standard equipment. The LXi ('04 and earlier) and Limited (all years), for
    example, come standard with the 3.8. You can, however, find a gussied-up LX
    ('04 and earlier) with the 3.8 and many Touring editions will have the 3.8.

    You can't really go wrong either way. Both engines are very reliable and
    perform reasonably well. So don't worry about which you get; let the
    options make the decition for you.

    My 2 cents.

    Bob
     
    Bob Snyder, Nov 10, 2006
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  8. Ford Driver

    Newby Guest

    Thank you for the detailed review. The Stow and Go seats look mighty handy
    to me. I have to remove the second row of seats in my Windstar and as you
    said, have to find a place to store them.

    In addition to the 2006 Chryslers that I am looking at, I am also going to
    look at Dodge vans (same engine etc, just different cosmetics).
     
    Newby, Nov 10, 2006
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  9. Ford Driver

    Newby Guest

    Thanks for your input. Several people have recommended the 3.8. I believe
    I am also going to look at a tow package (probably haveto go to a 2007 as I
    haven't seen leftover 2006s with the tow package.
     
    Newby, Nov 10, 2006
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    hartless Guest

    They are identical engines except for the bore and stroke. They are also
    very reliable. I had a 3.8, but it was written off in an accident. I ended
    up getting a 3.3 for a replacement and I would say I preferred the 3.8 for
    the extra torque. I never towed with it at all, but after having driven the
    3.8 for just over two years, I definately noticed the difference driving
    around. There is really no significant difference with fuel econamy, so I
    would go for the 3.8
     
    hartless, Nov 10, 2006
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    jdoe Guest

    No need to worry the 3.0 has been history for quite some time. To the OP on
    the LWB lower end vans the 3.3 is STANDARD there is no 4 cyl avail on the
    lwb. The 3.8 is an option on some lwb and STANDARD on vans like the T&C ltd.
     
    jdoe, Nov 11, 2006
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  12. Ford Driver

    Bob Snyder Guest

    The towing package is a bonus on any van...if you don't mind a slightly
    stiffer ride. It brings an extra transmission cooler on most years that may
    contribute to a long and healthy transmission life. In other years, it may
    also bring an auxillery oil cooler, but I'd be hard pressed to say which
    years have what.
     
    Bob Snyder, Nov 17, 2006
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