Too many dealers

Well yes, that is correct, but it is not at all germain to the discussion.
To refresh, the original assertion was that the impact put her in diabetic
shock. That's the only point that has been under discussion. To suggest
that low blood sugar might have contributed to the incident is potentially
true, but irrelevant. Contributing to is causal, not a result of. The
discussion was always about whether impact can cause diabetic shock. The
proof was the definition of diabetic shock. There is no other discussion
path at that point or any other. There was never any discussion at all
about fault. I'm not sure if you followed the entire thread - it appears
that you might not have. It would be worth taking a look at it from the
beginning.

 

LOL, I *did* go back on the thread. I did get you to admit there was at
least "casual contributing." <g> Just playing around (and happen to be
prone to hypoglycemia so I couldn't resist). Sounds like in addition to
paramedic, you are interested in law.

 

Maybe you intended the misquote that you did, *or* you didn't understand
his precise meaning. He did use the word "causal" and not "casual" -
different meaning altogether. (If your misquote was intentional to be
funny or something, then ignore this.)

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

 

What you say about diabetic shock is undoubtedly true. However the matter
under discussion was that the hospital was unwilling to admit her without
cash up front. This, in spite of the fact that the lady had travel insurance
that included medical.

Steve R.

 

the original post was about car dealers not diabetic shock

 

No - because neither one of us know if there was. I stuck to one point and
one point only. Mine was nothing more than a clarification that diabetic
shock is not trauma induced. You tried to get me to say something else, but
as I said, everything else is irrelevant.

Only in staying away from the penalties of it...

 

Damn - I hate it when a thread gets yanked back to its original intent.
Don't you know you can give a person whiplash like that Steve?

 

I don't think we should let the thread die...., just yet. There's more
milk for sure. Maybe later.

 

Heh, that was *my* plan. I guess its dead now. (famous last words)

 

Changing the subject is a well known trick of argument.

Want a reference? "Straight and Crooked Thinking" by Robert H, Thouless. Pan
Books. Sorry, no ISBN, my copy is too old for that.

Steve R.

 

Maybe they are required to treat everybody, but when someone with
insurance shows up (presumably a legal resident), the hospital calls the
insurance co., which then says "We're not paying" or "We will pay only
$x", and the person cannot afford to pay. So what does s/he do? Maybe
choose between treatment and bankruptcy. My wife spoke to somebody in
the supermarket checkout line this week who was considering filing for
bankruptcy because of the family's medical bills.

One man a year or two back decided to check up on some of the items on
the hospital bills that had led to the loss of house. $78.xx for a
"mucus retrieval kit" turned out to be for a box of Kleenex.

In the case of an illegal immigrant, the hospital may simply have to
write off the debt. Same goes for anyone (even a legal resident) who
gives a false address or SSN, I guess.

Perce

 

The hearings on the recent bankruptcy reform legislation (Bankruptcy
Abuse Prevention & Consumer Protection Act of 2005) that was pushed
through by lobbyists for the credit industry were televised. In a
memorable exchange, a democrat claimed that according to statistics
nearly 45% of bankruptcies were caused by medical bills. Senator Hatch
of Utah countered that those statistics were incorrect. The actual
percentage of bankruptcies caused by medical bills was *only* 25%.

Compassionate conservatism in action. Casualties "out of sight, out of
mind."

 

News item: (June 27th, 2007)

Prosecutors filed civil complaints on Tuesday accusing two hospitals and
a transportation services firm of dumping homeless patients in downtown
Los Angeles, including one highly publicized case in which a paraplegic
man wearing a colostomy bag was found crawling in a gutter near a skid
row park in February.

The complaints by the L.A. city attorney's office against Hollywood
Presbyterian Medical Center in Los Feliz and Methodist Hospital in
Arcadia are related to four separate incidents of alleged patient
dumping — two by each hospital — over a 14-month period.

This sounds like a case of "crooked thinking."

I'm afraid to ask what your ideas are for the "TRULY poor." Firing squad?

 

He didn't say they wouldn't treat her - he said they wouldn't admit her.
It's the same thing for illegal aliens. They won't admit them either
without some $$$$.

 

If they're here illegally, and they are able to travel (i.e.
non-emergency), transport them to a hospital of their home nation, and
add them to the list of illegals that are to be prosecuted if they show
up here again in an illegal status. If it's an emergency, treat them,
get them well enough to travel, transport them home, bill their home
nation, and add them to the list of illegals that are to be prosecuted
if they show up here again in an illegal status.. But don't bump up the
bills of legal citizens to pay for their stealing the services that we
pay for.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

 

What's wrong with cars built in Germany or Austria, for example?

DAS

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Free at the point of use, as the British NHS puts it.

DAS

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Too expensive over here in NA.
That's why many of them sold here, such as VW, BMW, Mercedes, are built
in NAFTA.

 

I just never really cared much for them. Plus the high cost.