The UAW's new awareness of global competition

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Ed, Sep 29, 2007.

  1. Ed

    Ed Guest

    "...Once [unions] win comfortable contracts, they often become
    impediments to the kind of innovation and flexibility essential to
    success in today's economy. So in the name of 'job security,' they
    undermine a company's--or a nation's--competitiveness. The result, over
    time, is less job security for everyone, especially the union
    workforce. There's no better example of this than GM, where the UAW now
    represents about 74,000 hourly workers, compared to 246,000 in 1994.
    Some security..."

    Wall Street Journal: http://301url.com/ciu
     
    Ed, Sep 29, 2007
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    Guy Guest

    Odd isn't it that GM continues to lose more and more market share as it
    reduces it's unionized labor force, and yet the loss of market share is the
    unionized workers' fault. Bizarro economic model, no? Let's not blame the
    bean-counter managers who force (non-union) engineers to cut corners in the
    design to save a few dollars per unit but which results in shitty designs
    and inferior quality.

    Let's face it, most managers at GM are really indifferent to cars. GM could
    be making appliances for all they care. They serve only one master, profit.
    Producing high quality cars that are fun to drive is way down their list of
    priorities. And quality starts with a quality design. The best factory
    workers in the world can't produce a quality product from an inferior design
    and using sub-standard parts.
     
    Guy, Sep 29, 2007
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    Kruse Guest

    Statistics can be read anyway you want them to. This statistic reminds
    me of a story I heard.
    Wishing to buy a new car, a man goes to his insurance agent and says
    "I want to buy the color of car
    that is the safest on the road. Do some research and tell me what
    colored car is involved in the least
    amount of road accidents". So the agent says to the man a few days
    later "According to our research,
    the color yellow is involved in the fewest car accidents on the road".
    Feeling like he is making a safe purchase,
    the man buys a bright yellow new car.

    Will this car prove to be accident free because it was yellow?
    Probably not. The reason yellow cars are involved
    in the fewest accidents is because very few cars are ordered with
    bright yellow paint.

    Now I have nothing against unions but I've never been a union member.
    However, does anybody have the statistics
    that say how many people GM has on the assembly line today compared to
    1994? Some areas of assembly are now done by a robot that were not in
    1994. I think you need to look at market share and also what
    percentage are made in a different country that would not have a union
    work force.That way we cam compare apples to apples and oranges to
    oranges.
     
    Kruse, Sep 29, 2007
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  4. Would it make a difference if the engineers were unionized?

    It's all about money. The automobile business went to hell about the mid to
    late '60s. Just look at the crappy blah boxes they've been making.
     
    Edwin Pawlowski, Sep 29, 2007
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    Guy Guest

    Not likely. The point is, regardless of the union/non-union status of the
    workers involved in developing and producing the car, if management cuts
    corners the product will suffer. The Japanese manufacturers who produce cars
    in North America do NOT, in my opinion, produce better cars because the
    plant workers are non-union.
     
    Guy, Sep 30, 2007
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    Mike Hunter Guest

    Half of those jobs were lost to the increased productivity brought on by
    computers, robots and modern build methods, like one piece whole side body
    stampings.

    mike
     
    Mike Hunter, Sep 30, 2007
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    Chevy Man Guest

    Looks like job security was gone with the free trade agreement. Lets see,
    all the U.S. is getting out of the deal is a bunch of crapy lead based toys
    from china. People that buy this crap are undermining the american worker
    and causing a Loss of American Jobs!!! Not to mention risking the health and
    lives of their children.
     
    Chevy Man, Sep 30, 2007
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    Just Facts Guest

    Didn't Chrysler sell in 2006 their Sebring assembly line of 200+ robots
    to the Russians, so they could "hire" more new robots?
    http://www.automotive.com/features/90/auto-news/23145/index.html
    It isn't just GM using robots.

    IMO robots have improved product consistency, assuming the workers are
    properly trained to operate them.
     
    Just Facts, Oct 1, 2007
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    The Henchman Guest


    Doesn't America have 30 year low unemployment rates?????


    The only way to get more Americans working is by bringing in more immigrants
    LOL.
     
    The Henchman, Oct 2, 2007
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    Bill Putney Guest

    No - I think most European countries' rates are about twice that of the
    U.S., so one of them would be the 30 year low, with several others
    having way more unemployment than the U.S.

    Bill Putney
    (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    address with the letter 'x')
     
    Bill Putney, Oct 2, 2007
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    Jeff Guest

    And the median income of Americans has risen little if at all in the
    last five years. The President is not worries at all about this. After
    all, CEOs and his buddies on Wall Street and the excutives of oil
    companies are making record salaries and bonuses, including monies
    'earned' on stock options.
     
    Jeff, Oct 2, 2007
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    Just Facts Guest

    Also according to a recent Business Week a low 10% of people employed in
    manufacturing as manufacturing jobs move offshore.
    They say manufacturing jobs lead to ups and downs in employment, so
    unemployment is becoming lower and more stable as manufacturing jobs
    disappear.

    Now for those cars soon coming from China!
     
    Just Facts, Oct 2, 2007
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    Chevy Man Guest

    Do you mean a 30 year low wage? Keep bringing in ILLEGAL felons and you
    will have to change your language to spanish. LOL
     
    Chevy Man, Oct 2, 2007
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