The Aspen, new and old

It was. Plymouth was Chrysler's head-on competitor for Ford's Ford
Division and GM's Chevrolet Division for years. Since GM has managed
to lose all brand identity through years of "badge engineering" and
morphing of all formerly semi-autonomous divisions into just combined
operations, DC no longer felt the Plymouth marque was of any value,
preferring to hold on instead to the more valuable Dodge marque as
their "bread-and-butter" line. A mistake? No...Dodges have been
gussied up/better equipped Plymouths and vice versa since at least the
mid 1960s. With that, they've also allowed Dodge-type product to slip
into the Chrysler marque, such as minivans and the PT, which in
another time, would've probably been Dodge branded products.

 

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get the picture, troll ??

 

Uh, Plymouth is gone. So DC's "standard" line is now Dodge.

Loosely put, Dodge is to Chrysler as Chevy is to Cadillac (especially
the SUVs), except on the GM side the performance is reversed. Cadillac
offers the most overall performance compared to the other GM divisions.

 

Odd the way things have unraveled over the years. Back when Chrysler
was the #2 of the Big 3, they were a full line manufacturer, with the
economy Plymouth at the bottom battling with Chevrolet, and a marque
to compete with just about every GM offering. Ford passed up Chrysler
due to increased sales due to Ford's completely new '49 models that
included popular Merc and Lincoln models. I believe Ford ran around
Chrysler in 1952, even though Ford was still clinging to its
hopelessly outdated flathead V8s, while Chrylser had such things as
Gemmer power steering, air conditioning and their new hemispherical
V8s.

In the '50s, De Soto competed with Oldsmobile directly, with flashier
styling and "Firedome" hemis. Chrysler chose to abandon that market
segment, probably because of Ford's resurgent Mercury lineup, in the
'60s. By 1961, De Soto was basically a stripped down Chrysler Newport
with a really funky looking grille, and nothing more. Dodge more or
less, especially after Exner started stirring the styling pot,
competed directly with Pontiac Division, while Chrysler itself ate
away at Buick. The Imperial competed directly with Cadillac into the
'60s, but fell flat later on.

 

It don't take much to keep you boys entertained, does it? This has got to be
the least interesting off-topic thread wreck I've ever seen.

 

Well, _you_ read it, eh?

 

That's right, eh.

Which Joe is Joe??? Who's on first??

 

Gotta read the headers.

 

My grandfather wouldn't have anything BUT a Dodge! He really knew
that they were, as the ads said, "Dependable". He love FluidDrive as
he didn't like shifting, but still kept his left foot touching the
clutch out of habit! I wish that he would have kept his Dodges, a 50,
51,55 and his last one, a 64 Dart.

 

No. After you said "Dodge is to Chrysler as Chevy is to Cadillac " that was
as far as I got. You're right of course, and I agree completely.

 

Yes, I know that. Hence the term "was".

And this was the point of my article, Dodge is still the "performance"
line. Just because Plymouth is gone doesn't make Dodge "standard". It
was a less than perfect analogy to begin with, anyway.

Um, no. I see it as "Dodge is to Chrysler as Pontiac is to Cadillac".
YMMV.

 

That's the rub- its a very imperfect analogy as there was a lot of
overlap. I doubt that owners of Plymouth Barracudas, Roadrunners, or
GTXs would agree that their cars are "standard" (if anything, the GTX
was a bit nicer than its Dodge equivalent, the Coronet R/T- and I say
that as an owner of a Coronet R/T). And I doubt that you'd get much
argument that a slant-6 Dodge Dart is a "performance" car any more than
a slant-6 Valiant.

Fast forward to the 90s up to the end-of-life for Plymouth, and I still
wouldn't agree that Plymouth was the "standard" necessarily. However, it
was neglected to death. It never got an LH car, and its only "special
interest" car was the Prowler, which was a little TOO "special" for most
people.

You can argue over that all you want, but the one definite is "Plymouth
is to Chrysler as Oldsmobile is to GM." I mourn the passing of both of them.

 

Saw a purple one on the street yesterday...I instantly wanted one! An
OEM street rod...a great project car, but not for the faint of heart.

 

especially for you, since no one answers your posts anymore, you've
been outed as a troll, and you don't even know your wrench sizes.

Prowler for you ?? that's a laugh...you're driving a 1978 HONDA,
remember ? Your other car is a 1986 Chrysler POS.

where would YOU get money for a Prowler ? Your only prerequisite for a
car, is gas mileage. You can barely fuel a 4-cylinder, let alone a V-8
performance rod.

 

The Prowler only had a V-6, not a V-8.

 

He wouldn't know. Charlie Nudo aka "duty-onner-country" (also aka
"D-O-C", hence the misspelling of "honor") is the "Dumpster Diver from
Drums." He thinks GM crap is somehow good, and only came into this NG
to harass and stalk me.

But yes...I wouldn't mind having a Prowler for a grocery
getter...except they don't hold many groceries!

 

What do you expect from Charlie Nudo? He's only here to troll.

 

....and to "dildow" himself.

 

The best.
My '95 Concord is running too well to trade. Engine, transmission and
body are almost as new, with no repairs, just normal maintenance service.

Thank goodness Chrysler stopped making cars that interest me. <