Spin-on filter replacement for canister type?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Count Floyd, Aug 15, 2004.

  1. Count Floyd

    Count Floyd Guest

    I am looking for a spin on filter to replace an old canister type on a 1949
    Chrylser Windsor 250 flathead six. Does anyone know of a source for such a
    kit/replacement?
     
    Count Floyd, Aug 15, 2004
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    Nate Nagel Guest

    Oddly enough I was just asking on one of the other groups about the
    possibility of doing the exact opposite. I can tell you that Studebaker
    used a spin on filter for a few years (57-62 IIRC) and the bases are
    still available NOS. However, I suspect that the old Fram F4 might
    actually filter better than the later spin on filter. (well, maybe not
    a Fram element, but an element made to fit a Fram F4 housing by a decent
    manufacturer.)

    Why do you want a spin on? I like the ease of maintaining the canister,
    and not spilling oil all over the engine every filter change.

    nate
     
    Nate Nagel, Aug 15, 2004
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    TOM KAN PA Guest

    Fram used to make adapters to convert canister to spin on. I had one on my 65
    Chevy SS, 327ci, 350 hp, 4 speed..........sigh!
     
    TOM KAN PA, Aug 15, 2004
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    Guest Guest

    The full flow filter on a GM was simplicity in itself to convert to a
    spin-on - as GM did themselves in the late seventies, more or less.
    Converting the bypass filter in a Mopar Flatty is a bit different.
     
    Guest, Aug 15, 2004
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  5. Count Floyd

    Count Floyd Guest

    The filter is way down by the starter, not up closer to the head, maybe
    because it was made in Canada! Plus, it is a pain to get the latch around
    the top correctly tightened, just thought that in the long run, it would be
    easier to be able to take to my local oil change place without having to
    scrounge for the old "long version" of the canister, NAPA 1062.
     
    Count Floyd, Aug 16, 2004
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    Ralph Wood Guest

    The old canister filters were a lot better at cleaning oil than the
    newer spin on filters. The old elements for the filter were cotton.
    They were replaced by the junk pleated paper filters. The best filter
    ever made is still available that fits the flathead. It bolts to the
    fender panel and has two hoses that hook up to the engine the same way
    the origonal filter hooked up. It is a lot less messy to cahnge than
    the spin on filters. It is made by the Motor Guard Corporation of
    Manteca CA. The filter will turn the oil clear similar to the old FRAM
    elements that fit the origional housing.

    Ralph
     
    Ralph Wood, Aug 19, 2004
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  7. *eyeroll*

    Sure, Ralphie. The pinnacle of oil filtration was in 1932. Shouldn't you
    be off at a carnival somewhere peddling your toilet paper filters?
     
    Daniel J. Stern, Aug 19, 2004
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    Nate Nagel Guest

    Studebaker used a bypass spin on for a few years if you really want to
    do this. I believe the mount is still available NOS from SASCO for not
    too much $$$. Part no. 1555325 if you want to look it up. Uses a Wix
    51050 filter or equivalent.

    SASCO's web site:

    http://www.parts123.com/studebaker.htm

    Keep in mind ithat the oil is metered through brass fittings with small
    orifices to keep from dropping the pressure in the engine too much, you
    will have to reuse the fittings from your existing filter if you go down
    this road, or else buy new fittings. Unfortunately the whole kit is NLA
    and I don't have Studebaker part no's for the fittings with the orifices.

    good luck,

    nate
     
    Nate Nagel, Aug 19, 2004
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    Ralph Wood Guest

    Actually filters that clean oil have been around since 1933. Back in
    the 60's you could still get good filter elements for the old
    cannister filters. In 1963 I put a Frantz oil cleaner on my Rambler
    American L head. The oil went from black to clear. The Rambler had a
    spin on bypass filter with the mount bolted to the head. It was junk.
    It was easy to use the existing fittings to hook up the Frantz. In
    1966 Motor Guard came out with the M-100 submicronic bypass filter
    which was a lot easier to service and I started using them. Most
    people have been trained to think that oil is supposed to get dirty so
    Motor Guard converted over to industrial filters. The Motor Guard M-30
    is die cast aluminum with an epoxy coating. My oldest filter still in
    use is a 30 year old M-100. Filters that clean oil were pretty much
    abandoned in favor of the more profitable system of allowing the oil
    to get dirty, wear and foul the engine then draining it. Many people
    didn't buy into the dirty oil system. Especially some owners of heavy
    duty diesel engines. If everyone thought that filters were supposed to
    clean oil you would be able to get the filters at auto parts stores
    plus they would be standard equipment. All a filter can do is clean
    oil. Clean oil can double or triple the life of an engine and clean
    oil doesn't need changing. Clean transmission fluid and fuel also have
    benefits in equipment. My 1937 Studebaker book says to change the
    filter when the oil looks dirty on the dipstick. The 37 Studebaker had
    a far superior filter to the junk they put on new cars. I prefer to
    change the filter before the oil looks dirty on the dip stick.

    Ralph
     
    Ralph Wood, Aug 20, 2004
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    Ralph Wood Guest

    Pleated paper filters have never been any good at cleaning oil. If
    they were your oil wouldn't get dirty. Your filter would get dirty.
    There is a way that you can come a little closer to cleaning oil with
    pleated paper. Yoou can get a remote filter mount from Perma-Cool such
    as a dual mount 771-1223 or a single mount 771-1211 from www.jegs.com
    and run hoses to it. You will need an orifice in the system such as
    the original Chryslers of about 1/16" so that all of your oil flow
    won't go thru the filter instead of the engine parts. You can also use
    a needle valve and pinch it down while watching your oil pressure
    gauge. I have a bypass filter mount that I took off a Mazda diesel. It
    has an orifice size of about 30 thousands. To actually clean oil you
    need for the oil to pass thru a lot of media at a slow rate; four
    inches is a lot more desirable than 1/32 inch.

    Ralph
     
    Ralph Wood, Aug 21, 2004
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