Something for nothing: GM and the unions

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Mike, Mar 5, 2006.

  1. Mike

    RapidRonnie Guest

    The unions may suck, but they were the reason why we did not have
    globalism rammed up our ass for decades in this country. And a lot of
    the reason American unions are as ignorannt as they are is because
    corporate management was just as ignorant and vicious as they ever were
    and worse. Finally, Australian unions are as bad or worse than American
    ones, thus neatly undermining your premise.

    I would support busting the UAW down when you also show me you can and
    will bust down the American Medical Association and the state medical
    boards, the American Bar Association and the state bars, and other
    government protectors of overpaid skunks. If the UAW, Teamsters and
    AFL_CIO had kep their members from putting in ignorant people like
    Reagan and Newt Gingrich we might have an industrial base now.

    The real reason Detroit does not build the car Americans really want is
    because Americans want big affordable cars. Corporate CAFE regulations
    say no.
     
    RapidRonnie, Mar 9, 2006
    #21
  2. Mike

    RapidRonnie Guest

    But if unionized workers producing widgets get higher pay by
    reducing widget manufacturers' profit rates, do you think there will be
    as much invested in producing widgets when higher rates of return can
    be realized by investing elsewhere?
    The rate of return on widgets cannot remain permanently below rates
    of returns in other industries. Widget prices will have to rise -- and
    that means lower sales and lower employment. There is no free lunch, no
    way to get something for nothing.

    Thomas Sowell is a nationally syndicated columnist.


    Thomas Sowell is a dumbass Uncle Tom.

    What is killing the rate of return in manufacturing is allowing an
    absolute advantage to foreign manufacturers and heavily subsidizing
    Mexican-illegal-employing suburban ticky-tack house building on arable
    land and big box shithole stores. Enforce serious house building codes
    and taxing imports will make things come around. And we do need to tax:
    we have a killer debt.
     
    RapidRonnie, Mar 9, 2006
    #22
  3. That is bullcrap. It is like a meeting I was in today, the GM listed 6
    goals of
    the company, one of which was cost containment, then proceeded to outline
    a new plan of his that would cost more money than what we were doing. I
    got up and pointed out that the only goal on the list that was incompatible
    with all the other 5 was cost containment. After a bit of weak argument
    which
    I pretty easily disproved, the GM admitted that the cost containment goal
    was
    bullcrap, and only listed because he was going to present the list to a
    vendor.

    Every person walking around is going to say they want the stuff they want
    cheaper,
    if that were really true we would not have Lexus dealerships, and luxury
    cars
    tooling around.

    Americans may want big cars, but they only give lip service to the idea of
    getting
    cheap cars. If they really wanted cheap cars they would walk into those
    ghost
    town dealerships and strike deals, everybody knows that a dealership eager
    to sell cars is going to be willing to give you great pricies, while one
    that has
    customers beating down the door has no incentive to give great prices.

    In the United States today, most consumers make purchasing decisions based
    on good marketing and slick advertising. They like to think they make
    buying
    decisions based on research, but when was the last time you ever saw a new
    car purchaser walking into a dealerhip with a stack of service manuals for
    the
    new cars he's looking at for comparison? Bullcrap, what they do is walk in
    with a stack of
    slick glossies and other marketing and sales literature and think that they
    have
    done "research"

    If GM and Ford are having problems selling cars the answer is pretty
    apparent
    to me - their marketing people are fucking incompetent. Every other major
    consumer
    manufacturer in the country has figured out how to market to Americans, and
    they start with a pair of boobs on a young hot 22 year old model. But Ford
    and
    Chevy just don't get it anymore.

    Shit, the demographics today of Americans can be summed up pretty simply - a
    big shitpile of 50-and-older empty nesters with money burning a hole in
    their
    pocket to be spent. And they are spending it on products that give them the
    illusion they are younger. Why do you think cosmetic surgery is going great
    guns today? The foreign carmakers have caught on. Go to
    http://automobiles.honda.com
    and you see a big black Civic that is aimed at the midlife crisis men. Go
    to
    www.chevy.com and you see a big fat Tahoe that looks like a 70's station
    wagon
    with a lift kit on it.

    Ted
     
    Ted Mittelstaedt, Mar 9, 2006
    #23
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