shudder: need rotation or alighment? or...

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Simon, Sep 4, 2005.

  1. Simon

    Simon Guest

    94 Caravan SE 170K miles. It has been running well except minor transmission
    hesitations sometimes after stop.

    Got a new problem lately. It shudders when speed is over 50mph. City driving
    is still fine, but can't get it on highways.

    All the tries are 1-2 years, threads are ok. So it's a problem of rotation
    or alignment? or could be others?

    Thanks.
     
    Simon, Sep 4, 2005
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  2. One cause of these problems are worn/loose tie rods. This is easy to
    check - jack up
    the left front until the wheel is off the ground, grab tire and try to turn
    it right and left
    the way the tire would move if the steering wheel would move. Do the same
    to the
    other side. If you can move the wheel from side to side any amount at all,
    then you
    have a loose tire rod.

    For a pic of the tie rod see this:

    http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com/94tcpics/fig16.jpg

    The rod that is wired up is the tie rod. The round accordion it is going
    into
    is the steering rack, the inner tie rod is in there.

    Any competent alignment shop can diagnose this as it's not possible to align
    the
    car and have it stay aligned if these are loose. If it's an inner tie rod
    then the best
    course is to pull the entire rack and pinion out and replace it with a
    rebuilt one.

    If it's not a tie rod then check for broken belts in the tires - rotate both
    front tires
    to the back and see if the problem goes away.

    Ted
     
    Ted Mittelstaedt, Sep 4, 2005
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  3. Simon

    Simon Guest

    Done just exactly as advised. YES, it must be the tie rods worn out. The
    driver's side is much worse. The tires are all pretty new, should be no
    problem. But it's not a job I can do myself, will take it to a mechanic.
    Thanks a lot Ted.
    Simon
     
    Simon, Sep 5, 2005
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  4. Your welcome. It is almost certainly an inner tie rod on the inside of the
    rack cylinder. Probably both. The rack and pinion will have to come out
    and
    be replaced and the front end realigned. Generally in a vehicle that
    vintage
    you would use a remanufactured rack and pinion. Over the counter at
    an auto parts store these cost around $150. I would call around to auto
    parts stores and get some pricing before you call around to garages. Also
    get pricing on tie rod ends and get pricing on right and left front axles.
    (should
    be around $80 per axle) If the axles are original there's a good chance the
    CV boots are spiderwebed with cracks and are about ready to go. Since
    the front crossmember has to be dropped in order to get at the
    rack-to-steering-column attachments, the smart thing to do is to replace the
    rack, both tie rod ends, and both axles if any of these parts show signs of
    wear. If you do replace tie rod ends, then make sure the replacements
    are fitted with zerk (grease) fittings. Also get some pricing on power
    steering
    hoses, as the garage may find cracked PS hoses. And one other thing
    if the spark plugs haven't been done or the plug wires haven't been done
    then you might as well have them done to since with the rack removed,
    access to the back plugs is rediculously easy.

    If you want to see what's involved read down to figure 23 on my transmission
    pictorial here:

    http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com/94tcpics/project.html

    I would suggest you make up a list of the following and shop it around -
    a busy shop might be inclined to quote this with separate time allocations
    to each job, but since all these parts are all tied up with each other, to
    do
    them all at once should take far less time. Also, keep in mind this is a
    worse
    case scenario - it might be they get in there and find the rack is fine
    and only the 2 outside tie rod ends are bad, that doesen't even need a
    realignment, and $200 later your on your way. But this way you avoid
    the phone calls like "We got the front end apart and discovered X and X
    and X and X is bad... and see the price shoot up through the roof. With
    a steering problem like this, any shop you give it to would be incurring a
    huge liability to let it go out the door again without a solid steering
    system
    in it, so you got to be really comfortable with who you take it to in
    advance!

    Replace:

    Rack & pinion
    LH and RH outer tie rods
    LH and RH axles
    power steering hoses
    flush power steering pump

    Also one other question for you, is this on the original transmission?
    And what size engine does it have?

    Ted
     
    Ted Mittelstaedt, Sep 5, 2005
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