Question About ATF+4 and My 1987 T & C

I stand behind my recommendation, see above...

Rick

 

You know it and I know it, but there are some here who will
disbelieve anything that wasn't told to them by their professor
in college.

 

Yes, or any subsequent Dexron. No dispute. But coefficient of friction is
only *one of many* performance characteristic of automatic transmission
fluid, and the rest of the specs of Type F are substantially inferior to
current-formulation fluids.

'Zat so? What about the one in the Duster that lost 3rd gear in Michigan
during One Lap?

And even if it *were* true, remember that correlation doesn't imply
causation. The Chrysler 3-speeds are bulletproof despite improper fluid
fills.

 

Are you providing indemnification against AT failure to anyone following
your advice?

 

No, Art, he's not. You see, he assumes -- like most people capable of
thinking clearly would -- that everyone is ultimately responsible for
their own actions, choices and decisions. He might as well recommend
you urinate into the dipstick tube, because it wouldn't make one iota
of difference as to who the blame would fall upon when the
transmission fails. You see, Art, it's assumed that the folks posting
to this group can think for themselves, and are either here to a.) get
a little insight/direction on resolving their car problems b.) discuss
the joys (or the sadnesses) of owning/driving Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep
and Eagle-branded vehicles or c.) offer advice to others.
Occasionally we get off-topic; that's okay, it's Usenet. But you're
never, ever allowed to check your brain at the door before you enter
here and use that as an excuse for a subsequent misadventure. And
you're never, ever going to successfully put the financial
responsibility on someone else here for your own stupidity, even if
they gave you bad advice. Sorry.

So I recommend you go back to your attempt to figure out how to
program your lawyer's number into your cellphone's speed-dial list,
and shut up with the stupid, half-baked crap already.

--Geoff

 

That failure was simply a snap ring on a servo, improperly installed. Was
fixed in 10 minutes once we had time to drop the pan! It did NOT blow up. It
just would not upshift to third - it did NOT slip. In fact, after I
converted that car to an A-518, I gave the 727 to a guy who is still using
it, unmodified and unrepaired, in a 360 B-van. As I recall it was dead stock
exept for a B&M Transpak, never rebuilt. But that's a long time ago!

The biggest advance in tranny fluid in recent years is LIFE. (The fluid, not
the tranny!) Yes, if you only want to change the fluid every 10/100K, go
with the recommended stuff. Which is also what I would advise on A-604s (or
newer spinoffs an "multispeed) units), Jeep Jap trannys, and ZFs. But on the
3-speeds, and even the A-500 and 518, Type F is the plan for any kind of
performance driving. And, no, if you're tranny blows up, don't ask me to fix
it (unless you come with lots of $$$). But if it does expire, it won't be
the F that did the deed - in fact, in all likelyhood, it will have put off
that fatal day.

Rick

 

That's one advancement in trans fluid in recent years, but it's certainly
not the only one, and the engineers who actually, y'know, *make* the
advancements happen, and who write the SAE papers on transmission fluid
advancements -- from DaimlerChrysler and all the other knowledgeable
parties -- seem to disagree with you that trans fluid life is "the biggest
advance".

I disagree with you, but that's fine. I also think it's dumb to use
Champion spark plugs and Fram oil filters and Bosch O2 sensors, but many
people do so with fine results.

It's "your", not "you're". You edit a magazine; you know that.

I've still seen no evidence to support this opinion -- just assertions
stacked on top of assertions stacked on top of uncontrolled anecdotal
reports. Until there's some hard evidence, I continue to think Type-F in a
Torqueflite is a poor idea.

 

Wow, I'm surprised someone who cannot recognize humor knows what the work
indemnification means.

 

I disagree with you, but that's fine. I also think it's dumb to use

Whoa! What's wrong with Champion plugs? Which are better?

--Geoff

 

And I'm surprised that somebody with your level of brain function can
muster up enough synapses to *type*, let alone come up with the word
indemnification.

In order for humor to be recognized, it first has to exist. If you
thought you were being funny, you were the only one.

By the way, the one you were trying to type was 'word', not 'work'.

--Geoff

 

Wow this genius thinks he speaks for the whole world.
Do me a favor. If you can figure out how to use your newsreader properly,
please filter out my posts.

 

I'm not going to help re-start the plug wars.

I have had Champion spark plugs fail (simply quit sparking) too early, too
often, too many times. Therefore, I no longer use them. I used Autolites
very happily for many years, but just recently have had excellent results
with NGK.

My Bosch spark plug experience matches my Bosch O2 sensor experience
matches my Champion spark plug experience.

DS