Problem With Power Outlet

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Neil, Mar 11, 2006.

  1. Neil

    Neil Guest

    OK, I couldn't find the wiper motor or the brake line at the master
    cylinder. But I did find a bolt that connected the wiper fluid reservoir to
    the body. I assumed that would be a body ground. And I tested it with your
    other test, and it registered over 12V with the red on positive and black on
    the bolt.

    So, using that, I put the VM on the negative post and the bolt, turned on
    the heater fan and headlights. With the VM at the 2000 mV setting, it read
    051.
     
    Neil, Mar 14, 2006
  2. Neil

    Bill Putney Guest

    ....and LHS. :)

    Bill Putney
    (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    address with the letter 'x')
     
    Bill Putney, Mar 14, 2006
  3. Neil

    Max Dodge Guest

    (It would be "neither know*s*)

    No, it would be exactly as I wrote it, since both are acceptable.

    Ever take an english class?

    --
    Max

    "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
    soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
    -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
     
    Max Dodge, Mar 14, 2006
  4. Manish tanah halailah hazeh? (Hebrew for "Why is this night different from
    all other nights?".) This has been Max' M.O. for many years.
     
    Daniel J. Stern, Mar 14, 2006
  5. 140w at 12v is 11.67 amps.
     
    Daniel J. Stern, Mar 14, 2006
  6. Neil

    Max Dodge Guest

    **Rear Power Outlet (Engine On)
    No problem. He either has a problem with battery under load, or voltage at
    the port.

    SO, either he can do a two minute test and find out if the battery is the
    problem, which has been suggested by the ONLY tech to actually be near the
    vehicle, or he can rewire the vehicle to the port gets more power.

    A battery load test is next to free, and a battery is about $60.

    Rewiring the port so it carries proper voltage at all times.... well, thats
    $60 an hour at least, and would likely take 2-4 hours.

    I think the battery load test is not only inexpensive, but warranted given
    the age and manufacture of the battery.

    But I think we've covered that ground, because as much as you'd like to deny
    it, the above info was taken into account when I gave my recommendation.

    Argue amongst yourselves.
    --
    Max

    "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
    soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
    -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
     
    Max Dodge, Mar 14, 2006
  7. Neil

    Steve Guest

    That IS truly amazing, and he's not the object of my comments really.

    Although it sure seems like it would be a whole lot easier to just run
    new heavier wires (both power and ground) to the socket and git-R-done
    in an hour rather than keep futzing around with it.
     
    Steve, Mar 14, 2006
  8. Neil

    Max Dodge Guest

    Tbone sez......



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    Max

    "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
    soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
    -Ed Howdershelt (Author)


     
    Max Dodge, Mar 14, 2006
  9. Neil

    Max Dodge Guest

    Tbone sez......


    --

    Max

    "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
    soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
    -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
     
    Max Dodge, Mar 14, 2006
  10. Neil

    Max Dodge Guest

    Tbone sez......

    --
    Max

    "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
    soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
    -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
     
    Max Dodge, Mar 14, 2006
  11. Neil

    Max Dodge Guest

    Tbone sez......

    --
    Max

    "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
    soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
    -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
     
    Max Dodge, Mar 14, 2006
  12. Neil

    Max Dodge Guest

    Tbone sez......

    --
    Max

    "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
    soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
    -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
     
    Max Dodge, Mar 14, 2006
  13. Neil

    Steve Guest

    And for a couple of years starting in '94- New Yorker. :)
     
    Steve, Mar 14, 2006
  14. Neil

    Bill Putney Guest

    That's not how it works.
    Oh, only several, and making a steady living as a technical writer.
    Amazing, eh!?

    Bill Putney
    (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    address with the letter 'x')
     
    Bill Putney, Mar 15, 2006
  15. Neil

    Max Dodge Guest

    Oh, only several, and making a steady living as a technical writer.
    Not really, considering the obvious lack of experience out in the field. I
    figured there was a better than even chance that you'd be driving a desk
    rather than turning wrenches for a living.

    --
    Max

    "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
    soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
    -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
     
    Max Dodge, Mar 15, 2006
  16. Neil

    Matt Whiting Guest

    And considering your obvious lack of electrical experience, probably
    better to stick with wrenches and leave the DVMs to those with more
    experience in things electrical.


    Matt
     
    Matt Whiting, Mar 15, 2006
  17. Neil

    Max Dodge Guest

    And considering your obvious lack of electrical experience, probably
    Like those of you who wanted to test only the port after the OP supplied
    info indicating the voltage drop at the port?

    The only question after that was whether it was caused by poor/substandard
    wiring or an aged battery.

    But you experts didn't want to test the battery.

    --
    Max

    "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
    soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
    -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
     
    Max Dodge, Mar 15, 2006
  18. Neil

    Matt Whiting Guest

    We "experts" never said not to test the battery. We said that wasn't
    the logical first step.

    Matt
     
    Matt Whiting, Mar 15, 2006
  19. Neil

    Max Dodge Guest

    We "experts" never said not to test the battery. We said that wasn't the
    Given that we knew:

    1) from device behavior that a voltage drop at the port was evident,
    2) that the battery was 3 years old and a factory installation,
    3) that the battery voltage tested at lower than 13v, which would be peak
    charge after having been charged seconds before,
    4) a technician confirmed age and origin of battery as being indicators of
    needed replacement,

    AND

    5) that the port wiring might be less than optimum,

    The only logical first step would be to load test the battery to be sure
    that it was not dropping in a like manner to the port voltage. This would be
    the only test that could confirm either battery failure or wiring failure,
    since we already knew there was a voltage drop at the port.

    Meanwhile, you guys would be poking a meter into the port trying to not
    cross the probes in an effort to find out what you already knew..... the
    port has a voltage drop.

    Silly desk drivers for some reason didn't believe the inverter when it
    clearly did what it was supposed to do under the given conditions. Yeah, the
    OP said it in his first post:
    new car, the inverter shuts down, indicating it's not getting enough power
    (it automatically shuts down at 10.5V).<<

    Why test the port again before checking the battery performance?

    --
    Max

    "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
    soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
    -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
     
    Max Dodge, Mar 15, 2006
  20. Neil

    Neil Guest

    Someone else said it would be a whole lot easier just to change the battery.
    I suppose we could just change everything. That would solve the problem. :)
     
    Neil, Mar 15, 2006
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