Pickup trucks in Europe

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Dori A Schmetterling, Jan 26, 2005.

  1. As you all know, pickup trucks are not very popular in Europe, for a variety
    of reasons.

    You might, thus, amuse yourselves by reading this review written by a
    journalist in the UK Sunday Times (the leading quality Sunday paper here)
    after he bought a Ford Ranger. FYI Brian Appleyard is not normally a
    motoring writer.

    Ok, it's not a Chrysler (but he does mention having seen Dodge Rams and
    comments on their environmental friendliness) but it might still be a fun
    read.
    http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12389-1450581_1,00.html

    The reference to Ken Livingstone is to London's mayor (who does not have a
    car!), who has introduced the rather controversial congestion charge in
    central London and which is to be increased and have its scope widened.

    DAS


    Pick it up there: a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do
    Bryan Appleyard broke through the class barrier and made a lot
    of new friends by buying a pick-up truck. Now he's a happy Good Ol' Boy





    A match made in heaven: Appleyard with his Ford
    Range XLT (DWAYNE SENIOR)

    The great thing about the middle classes is their gullibility.
    You can sell most things to the working class, but after a while they always
    turn shrewd. You can sell nothing to the upper class because they always buy
    the same things from the same people. But the middle classes walk around
    with the word "sucker" emblazoned on their foreheads in letters of fire.
    This is why, when they get to country places and the remote
    possibility that they may hit a muddy road enters their head, they can
    easily be persuaded to spend vast sums of money on jaw-droppingly ugly 4x4s
    like the Porsche Cayenne or the BMW X5. Then, of course, having spent the
    money, they're too scared to go off-road for fear of scratching or denting
    their gleaming uber-chariots.

    Everybody, from Ken "Foxy-Woxy" Livingstone upwards, has pointed
    out that people don't need big four-wheel-drive machines. However, some -
    like, for example, me - do. I periodically have to transport big things
    between London and Norfolk, and in Norfolk I drive down muddy marshland
    roads and (increasingly frequently thanks to global warming) through deep
    water.



    I would be insane to try to do these things in an X5 or a
    Cayenne. They're not big enough for the "big things" and every
    bramble-scratch or rock-dent would be taking hundreds of pounds off their
    value. The solution is obvious, but you need to be very socially secure. So
    brace yourself, because here it is: get a truck. I did and I'm a better man
    for it.

    "I couldn't do that," said a friend when I told him of my plans.
    "I'd look like a painter and decorator."

    I have no problem with looking like a painter and decorator. But
    the British class-thing is a problem. In America the middle classes think
    nothing of having a pick-up truck - and they do have some gorgeous trucks.
    The most beautiful motoring spectacle I have ever seen was at the
    Indianapolis 500. I don't mean the race itself, which makes Formula One look
    interesting, but beforehand during preparations for the race. Overnight rain
    was removed from the track by six bright-red Dodge Rams thundering round the
    circuit in diagonal formation with gigantic hairdryers on their backs.

    Americans have so many trucks that they are startled by our
    "trucklessness". Some newly arrived US tourists recently spotted mine parked
    in the street and cried: "Look, our first truck!" Over here we go all prissy
    at the prospect that our vehicle might make people think we are in, ugh,
    some trade. And so we buy dumb-ass mink-lined 4x4s instead of pick-ups.
    Admittedly they're not as environmentally insensitive as some would have you
    believe - empty bendy buses are much worse - they are just pointlessly
    extravagant celebrations of an unnecessary function they are extremely badly
    designed to fulfil.

    But let me tell you about my truck . . . because I love it. I
    love it more than my wife's Porsche Boxster S and I love it more than the
    Jaguar XKR or the TVR Griffith - both super-desirable cars I have driven in
    the past. Here's a test: when you park your car do you look back at it with
    satisfaction? I did with the Jag and the TVR, I don't with the Porsche, but
    with the truck I just stop dead and stare gratefully at the overpowering
    rightness of the thing.

    It's a Ford Ranger XLT in blue and silver with an aluminium
    checker plate Mountain Top cover over the back, on which a gay friend says
    he wants to dance as I drive along the M11. I thought of getting the
    special-edition Thunder version, but that has pointless leather seats and,
    very embarrassingly, Thunder written on the side.

    The Ranger has five seats, air-conditioning and excellent
    off-road capability. It's easier to drive than most cars and it's a lot
    quieter than the Porsche. It's not fast, but I've "done speed" in it, and
    it's
    fun but not really worth it because, on any given journey, you only get
    there about 5% faster.

    My truck doesn't have sports-car driving dynamics but it has a
    kind of authoritative languor about it, just kind of suavely rolling along.


    On some country roads it even acquires an amusing boat-like
    pitching motion. Of course it carries almost anything you can think of: I've
    had about a ton of damp wood in the back. Oddly, its performance seems
    unaffected by whether it's loaded, and naturally I don't wash it. And you
    know what it cost? With the £800 Mountain Top it was just under £18,000. A
    joke.

    It has an amiable but slightly weak 2.5 litre diesel engine so
    it doesn't compare with American trucks, which are bigger - much bigger.
    Unlike certain other contributors to these pages I do, however, have
    environmental pangs, and the Ranger delivers lots of miles to the gallon
    whereas the Dodge Ram and all its butch cousins blast continuous strips out
    of the ozone layer.

    The Ranger does at least look as though it's beefy, with its
    heavyweight chrome front and excitingly weird tubes around the sides, called
    "style bars". Not that, I am happy to say, any designer appears to have been
    within a hundred miles of the thing. It's just chucked together with a few
    truck "signifiers". But it's handsomely proportioned and, inside, you do
    have that American feeling of sitting in moving space rather than the
    European feeling of being wedged in a machine.



    But here's the really big thing: people love me in the truck almost as much
    as they loathe me in the Porsche. All my class hangups have gone, I am one
    with the people. Lorry drivers flash me to signal I am past them. People
    smile as they let me in. Other truckers nod and grimace knowingly in traffic
    jams. At service stations - even when I get out of the truck wearing a suit
    and tie - I am silently included in the stoical brotherhood of those who
    drive for a living.
    I once parked outside a hardware shop where I bought a screw or something
    and the bloke actually said: "Nice truck." I glowed. As Daphne says in
    Frasier: "You can't buy memories like that."

    Now obviously you'll want to buy a truck at once. So here's some serious
    consumer thinking. Trucks cost more to insure than cars, primarily because a
    lot of them get nicked. It's the price of being as one with the people. The
    Ranger is a cheaper buy because the market leaders are Mitsubishi, Toyota
    and Nissan, and Ford is obliged to discount.



    In fact Mitsubishi is so dominant in this market that the salesman couldn't
    believe it when I decided against their L200 and bought the Ford. He rang me
    up, incredulous. But I prefer the redneck looks of the Ford to the weird
    retro of the L200 and I saved about £4,000.

    All the trucks have much the same level of performance and carrying
    capacity. The special editions, such as the Mitsubishi Animal and Warrior,
    tend to be expensive and look and sound embarrassing, although I know this
    SAS bloke who drives around in a Warrior and makes it look cool. Well, he
    would.

    Against all that, the commercial vehicle side of Ford has self-esteem
    issues. I had to buy my truck from a guy in a Portakabin way off the main
    lot and, though Ford and the rest are very keen to sell trucks to the middle
    classes, the salesman seemed baffled as to my motives.

    And he did manage to lose my Ranger at one point - it simply vanished from
    his computer screen, finally turning up on the dockside in Southampton. The
    upside of this was that it gave me the opportunity to call Ford and say: "I
    suppose a truck's out of the question?" Now, well . . . life is good. I roll
    up and down the Norfolk route chewing gum, raising eyebrows with the other
    truckers as yet another X5 weaves stupidly across the tarmac, and deploying
    ruthless lane-savvy to pass Lamborghinis. Or I lapse into a dream, fancying
    myself on a dirt road in Dixie and, like the Good Ol' Boy I have become in
    my heart, I allow tears to streak my face as Emmylou Harris croons and moans
    her way through Daniel Lanois's baptismal prayer The Maker.

    It is, as they say, a no-brainer. Get a truck.


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    Dori A Schmetterling, Jan 26, 2005
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    Steve Guest


    That was good for a chuckle. Very different set of social
    "sensibilities" on opposite sides of the pond, I guess. The thought of
    being insulted by being mistaken for a painter or decorator would never
    occur to me.

    Quite a few facts wrong too- for one thing auto emissions are associated
    with "greenhouse" gasses, and NOT with ozone depletion
    (chloroflourocarbons are the ozone-depleters). For another, attributing
    increased wetlands to "global warming" is pseudo-scientific folly. And
    it never mentions that the Ranger is, in fact, a COMPACT pickup truck
    and not a standard pickup.


    But a good read nonetheless.
     
    Steve, Jan 26, 2005
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    Geoff Guest

    d> Subject: Re: Pickup trucks in Europe
    That is what was really curious to me as well. Does English society
    look down upon her labourers? Here, earning an "honest living" by
    "working with your hands" is revered somewhat as the more desirable
    alternative to being an office-dweller. Reading this gives me the sense
    that you in the U.K. are perhaps more "urbanized" than we in the
    'states.

    I don't own a pickup truck -- a minivan suits my hauling needs nicely,
    and the handling dynamics of even the most modern pickup are put to
    shame by the lowliest of economy cars. That said, every opportunity
    I've had to drive one -- and I've probably logged about 50,000 miles in
    pickups over my driving life -- has been enjoyable in its own right.
    There's a lot to be said for having two or three hundred pound
    feet of torque in reserve under one's right foot. And the driving
    dynamics, primitive as they are, come with their own rewards. You'll
    have no greater fun behind the wheel of a vehicle, IMO, than
    deliberately breaking the tail end of a pickup loose in spirited city
    driving. Not that there aren't other types of fun to be had...of
    course. :)

    --Geoff
     
    Geoff, Jan 27, 2005
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  4. I think we ARE more urbanised in the UK, but that may be only an impression.
    IIRC about 3% of the population lives in an agricultural environment.

    As regards some of Brian Appleyard's comments I think he had his tongue
    firmly in his cheek, but do refer to older snobbishness.

    An interesting thing I read a long time ago was a statistic from about 100
    years ago, which to me signalled the rise of the USA as the dominant
    economic power and the decline of Britain. Remember that about a hundred
    years ago the UK was at the height of its global might.
    A study (in the eighties?) had looked at the patterns of employment in the
    UK and US at the turn of the century. The conclusion was that in the US
    most employees (i.e. workers on a wage) were in industrial jobs whereas in
    the UK most were in domestic service, i.e. working as other people's
    servants.

    This was a time when being in 'trade' or business was looked down upon by
    the aristocracy, and science and engineering was still not accorded the full
    social recognition it deserved -- notwithstanding some truly great British
    engineers such as I K Brunel, who in the 19th century designed and/or built
    just about every grand bridge or railway station etc still standing today.

    It is a vast subject and here is not the place to expand on it, nor am I a
    great expert.

    DAS

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    Dori A Schmetterling, Jan 27, 2005
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    Steve Guest

    Geoff wrote:

    That's exactly why I drive older American cars with v8s :) And they
    handle better than trucks too (especially with modern shocks and
    polygraphite suspension bushings ;-)
     
    Steve, Jan 27, 2005
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    Guest Guest

    Most definitely, on the whole.
    Urbanized? Even the country gentry are generally a snobbish lot, from
    my experience. The working class are down to earth, and generally an
    earthy bunch. But they know their place and their station in life.
    Those who attempt to rise above it STILL have a rocky ride.
     
    Guest, Jan 28, 2005
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    Joe Guest

    It certainly hasn't occured to me either, but then in the states, being
    working class isn't anything to be ashamed of. Europeans have in several
    centuries accused prominent Americans of being proud of the lowest possible
    birth they lay claim to. Which is true, I'm sure. Our feudal system was
    different from the European model.

    I've always wondered how you get anything done in Europe without any
    pickups. My experience has been that they're beyond unpopular, they're
    absent. Completely. I can't figure out how you'd move something like a
    refrigerator, or a half-ton of rocks, or a lawnmower, or all that other
    stuff we have to use pickups to move in the states.

    To bolster my case, if you've ever noticed the "world's worst drivers" stuff
    they show on TV, anytime they pull somebody over for hauling a sofa on top
    of a Ford Escort, or 8' long lumber balanced sidewise on a moped, those
    people are ALWAYS British.
     
    Joe, Jan 28, 2005
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  8. See below

    DAS

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    DAS: Even in Britain people are proud to point to the lowliness of their
    origins ("my father was a coalminer.."), perhaps because they are
    embarrassed how far they have come.. :)

    I don't think the US ever had a feudal system. I am not sure that the
    residents of the time knew what that was. And the Europeans arrived way
    after that period.
    DAS: We don't move rocks and get our household stuff delivered.
    DAS: Not according to some of the photos circulating on the net..
     
    Dori A Schmetterling, Jan 28, 2005
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  9. I grew up on a farm in England, and my father often had a van or pickup
    truck that was simply a variant of a regular passenger car. The same
    kind of "commercial" variants of passenger cars were to be found in
    Australia (although the cars were typically somewhat larger).

    Do such pickup trucks and vans no longer exist in UK?

    Perce
     
    Percival P. Cassidy, Jan 28, 2005
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    Guest Guest

    In Britain they were referred to as "vanettes" and in Aussie, they are
    "Utes"
     
    Guest, Jan 28, 2005
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  11. Yes, thanks for jogging my memory about "utes." I haven't lived in
    Australia for 19 years (last of all in Brisbane) and haven't visited in
    the last 17. So does Oz still produce utes, or have they been displaced
    by US-style "pickup trucks"?

    I don't recall hearing the term "vanette" in UK, but that might have
    come in after I left more than 40 years ago.

    Perce
     
    Percival P. Cassidy, Jan 28, 2005
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    Bill Putney Guest

    I can only imagine from your description that they were similar to what
    in the U.S. were Chevy El Caminos and Ford Rancheros.

    Bill Putney
    (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    adddress with the letter 'x')
     
    Bill Putney, Jan 29, 2005
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  13. Still widely available in Australia. Known as "utes" (short for
    "utility"). The Chrysler Valiant Wayfarer ute was very popular from 1965
    through 1981; the Ford Falcon ute is a brisk seller today. Go to
    ford.com.au and see for yourself.
     
    Daniel J. Stern, Jan 29, 2005
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    Guest Guest

    The term was in common use in the colonies - my experience was
    Zambia(formerly Northern Rhodesia) in the seventies. The
    littleDaihatsu, Datsun, Peugot, and Austin/Morris "pickup" and
    "utility" type vehicles with an open uncovered box were "vannettes" -
    anything bigger was a "lorry".

    IIRC the term vannette was also sometimes applied to the "taxsaver"
    station wagon type vehicles with closed in rear windows and no rear
    seats.

    Station wagons were also referrred to as "breaks"
     
    Guest, Jan 31, 2005
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  15. Still are, in France, if I am not mistaken. Never in Britain.

    DAS
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    Dori A Schmetterling, Feb 4, 2005
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  16. I remember from my youth in UK the term "shooting brake" (note the
    different spelling), and a Google search for that term brings up links
    to Aston Martin, Bentley, Daimler and Saturn on the first page alone.

    A couple of the linked sites claim that "shooting brake" is the British
    term for a station wagon.

    Perce
     
    Percival P. Cassidy, Feb 4, 2005
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  17. This shows is it dangerous to use 'extreme' words like "never"... :)

    I withdraw it and replace it with "Not in Britain in recent times" ...

    DAS
     
    Dori A Schmetterling, Feb 4, 2005
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    Cashew Guest

    Stop the bullshit - the Brits aren't *that* stupid.
     
    Cashew, Feb 11, 2005
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    Cashew Guest

    Most Americans don't move rocks, lawnmowers, refigerators, etc......


    People will tell you all kinds of BS to try to convince you they need
    a pickup or an SUV, but they really just want a truck.

    The beds of most pickups are used to hold empty beer cans.
     
    Cashew, Feb 11, 2005
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