OT Court lets Automaker sue Consumer Reports

A lane change, simulating a child running out, or a car pulling out. Yeah,
when's the last time that ever happened?

 

Unless JDP or any other such group puts a gun to people's heads and forces
them to respond, all such surveys are from people who've selected to answer
them.

 

1. No Caprice is going to run something like a BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Saab,
etc., off the road.
2. The way Detroit has traditionally improved handling is to make the ride
rock-hard.

 

So your arguement is that CR is ok because someone else might use the
same bad methods.

 

BTW, in the latest issue of CR, CR ranks the Focus SVT as among their
top-rated sporty cars, and CR says the Focus reliability has improved
to an average level recently.

(snip)

 

I don't think you can libel a car, or a toaster, or any thing. I think
only a person can be libeled. See:

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/l032.htm

Given Suzuki's ongoing series of defeats in US courts, doubtful.

 

Neil, you need to learn to attribute your quotes properly. You're quoting
something written by Joseph Oberlander, yet you've included the names of
previous contributors to the thread without including any of their text.
This is improper and confusing, so please stop doing it. Proper protocol
is to include ONLY the names of those whose text you are including in your
quote, and to include ONLY the text sufficient to make your point.

DS

 

Lane changes and rapid maneuvers didn't do it either. They had to re-invent
a harder test until it reliably failed. This was well beyond what you would
expect in anything other than a serious emergency(where you roll the
dice anyways).

 

A name brand is considered a "person" for such purposes. Coke can't say
Pepsi is made out of cow's piss on TV for instance.

 

My argument is there is no such thing as a survey that's not to some extent
"self-selected", so to single out CR's survey as bad for that reason makes no
sense.

 

The CR test is a swerve into the lane to the left followed by a swerve back
into the original lane. That is known as a "lane change."

 

I didn't single out CR's survey. I believe polls and surveys are all
hopelessly flawed and in some cases manipulated to produce a desired
result.

My recent favorite was a poll take in Iraq. It asked people what nations
government structure they wanted the new government of Iraq to emulate.
There were several less than desirable choices, like siria, and lastly
the USA. Of course most people picked the USA. there were no choices
like the UK, germany, etc. It was a loaded question.

So I didn't single out CR's survey, I believe it to be about as valuable
as most surveys, worth less than the paper it's printed on. But I am
glad you agree that it is similiar to other surveys that are worthless.

 

Which is still beside the point. Read the above carefully and
understand its impact. While the US is founded on Judeo-Christian
morality, the legal system has of necessity evolved into a separate
thing. The necessity comes of inconsistencies in the moral *codes*
underlying it. Were the moral code solely Judaism, we would logically
have prohibited the raising and consumption of pork, wouldn't we?
Were it solely Christian, Christmas would be unquestioned as a
religious holiday. But it's not, in either case. Law and justice in
the US is clearly *not* a system of determining right and wrong, but
merely one of determining 'allowed' or 'not allowed' *at the time*.
If you doubt that, think about abortion laws.

Then I will amend that to 'You seem to have a problem *accepting* what
our system of justice is and how it functions.' You're not alone.

The 'If' was *disjunctive*. I meant *if* I'm selling BS, I want an
ignorant jury. Usually, I'm not. Make sense now?

To our mutual regret, I am sure. ;^)

 

(where you roll the

Consumer Reports test results help you roll a 7 instead of craps.

 

Of course? You're making an unwarranted assumption. That poll
was intended to distinguish between Western democratic systems and a few
other choices, not among the Western democratic systems. Note that
the "obviously" less-than-desirable choice of totalitarian monarchy
Saudia Arabia came in second, 28% to the US's 37%.

 

Given the choices, the expected result is the USA. Whatever you want
to claim the motivation behind the carefully crafted question is, it
remains carefully crafted with an expected result.

Here are the choices:

USA
Egypt
Syria
Iran
Saudi Arabia

This isn't much of a choice, nor is it representive of the various
governments to model one after on the planet. If the choice was between
forms why is their not a communist form mentioned? If it was supposed
to be western style democracy vs. these regional systems why not use
Israel as regional example instead of the USA? Bet there'd be a much
different result with that swap. And that's the point I am trying
to make, questions can be crafted to get a result.

 

What's even stupider is that most likely just about all poll respondents
have
never actually experienced US-style democracy so how anyone could assume
they were making any kind of informed choice is beyond me.

Ted

 

Except right-wingers are the first to complain about frivolous lawsuits and
demand that judges throw out suits that don't have compelling evidence to back
them up. The judge here did exactly that.

 

Wrong. It tipped up dangerously, so CR decided to try it on a shorter course.

Totally false. I suggest you read the issue. It may be a library near you.

 

But it is still an uncontrolled self-selected sample of a self-selected
sample.

If you think that is somehow valid, you aren't even competent to read
statistics, let alone comment on the validity of other's methods.

Marc
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