One reason DRLs shouldn't be opposed...

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Steve, Jul 28, 2004.

  1. Steve

    Steve Guest

    Someone did the calculation that I've always wanted to see. The result
    is about what I would have guessed:

    http://www.howstuffworks.com/question424.htm


    There are enough approximations in there that the final answer could be
    wrong by a factor of two in either direction, but the order of magnitude
    is absolutely correct.

    Mandatory daytime running lights on all vehicles in the US would consume
    ~400 MILLION additional gallons of gasoline, add ~8 BILLION additional
    pounds of CO2 to the atmosphere and cost drivers ~600 MILLION dollars
    in extra fuel EVERY YEAR. Think about it, even if those numbers are
    twice the real value because of the approximations made. Scary, isn't it?
     
    Steve, Jul 28, 2004
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  2. Er...Steve? Your original subject line read "One reason DRLs shouldn't be
    opposed". It looks to me as if you meant to type "One reason DRLs
    shouldn't be mandatory" or "One reason DRLs should be opposed", so I took
    the liberty of changing it.
     
    Daniel J. Stern, Jul 28, 2004
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  3. Steve

    Steve Guest

    I'm an idiot behind a keyboard. I started to title the thread "why DRLS
    shouldn't be encouraged" and then meant to change it to "why DRLS should
    be opposed." The meaning got reversed in translation. :p
     
    Steve, Jul 28, 2004
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  4. Steve

    Joe Pfeiffer Guest

    Maybe ARL has a grant from Exxon?
     
    Joe Pfeiffer, Jul 28, 2004
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  5. Steve

    Geoff Guest

    Naw, Steve, like all conservative Texans, is in the back pocket of big
    oil!!!

    :)

    --Geoff
     
    Geoff, Jul 28, 2004
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  6. Steve

    Rick Blaine Guest

    Man, what a load!
     
    Rick Blaine, Jul 28, 2004
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  7. If DRL's save one family from being hit head-on, how much is THAT worth?
     
    Arthur Alspector, Jul 28, 2004
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  8. Steve

    223rem Guest

    Still nothing.
     
    223rem, Jul 28, 2004
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  9. Steve

    Steve Guest


    Got anything to refute it?
     
    Steve, Jul 28, 2004
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  10. Steve

    Ulf Guest

    Not really. Not all DRLs are headlights, my Camaro uses the turn signal
    bulbs for example, and I know some vehicles use LEDs. Besides, most
    people don't mind wasting gas, just look at all the SUV drivers...
    Ulf
     
    Ulf, Jul 28, 2004
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  11. Another illustration of yankee values these days..
     
    Arthur Alspector, Jul 28, 2004
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  12. Steve

    CLK Guest

    It is worth exactly $29.32.

     
    CLK, Jul 28, 2004
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  13. It's an unpleasant fact, but a fact nonetheless: There is a price on every
    citizen's life. Every safety regulation has a cost/benefit ratio, and "If
    it saves just one life..." is NOT the standard applied -- not even close.
    The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has a dollar figure per
    life saved, below which a safety device cannot be mandated because it
    fails the agency's internal cost-effectiveness requirements. Sometimes
    this requirement is waived for extrinsic (e.g. political) reasons -- an
    example would be the US airbag mandate, which even using the *highest*
    estimates of lives saved and the *lowest* estimates of costs imposed fails
    the standard miserably. But other than that, the answer to your implied
    question is "No". All-or-nothing illogic like yours ("If it saves just one
    life", "Zero tolerance", etc.) is untenable and unworkable in the real
    world.

    DS
     
    Daniel J. Stern, Jul 28, 2004
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  14. I'd say the need to pose the question of DRLs in the first place is a much
    better illustration of yankee values these days: swaddle citizens in
    ever-increasing regulations so that nobody need take responsibility for
    his own actions and their effect on others' safety. In conditions of
    compromised visibility, turn your lights on! It's really that simple.

    DS
     
    Daniel J. Stern, Jul 28, 2004
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  15. A REAL unpleasant fact if that family happens to be yours.

    Arthur
     
    Arthur Alspector, Jul 28, 2004
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  16. Steve

    223rem Guest

    Defending 'values', the last refuge of the scoundrel.
     
    223rem, Jul 28, 2004
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  17. Steve

    223rem Guest

    Hasnt word reached Canada yet that it is idiotic to top-post?
     
    223rem, Jul 28, 2004
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  18. Steve

    Steve Guest

    Probably not enough to offset the shortened lifespans of everyone
    breathing the excess pollutants produced because of DRLS. Nevermind the
    fuel cost.

    But that doesn't even really matter. Everything we do every day entails
    risks- its all about managing cost and risk. What if the PRESENCE of
    DRL's cause another family to run off the road because the driver is
    blinded or distracted by glare?

    Dan's already expounded on the fact that "just one life saved..." or
    "think of the children!!" isn't a valid reason for mandating an
    engineering change, so I'll not repeat it.
     
    Steve, Jul 28, 2004
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  19. Steve

    Bill Seas Guest

    it?

    Can these be legally disconnected in Canada?
     
    Bill Seas, Jul 28, 2004
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  20. The problem with your position is that it assumes DRLs can only improve
    safety -- in every single case -- and that they lack the potential for
    detrimental effects on safety -- in even one case. Since that's not how
    DRLs work (or anything else for that matter), your argument's veracity is
    null.
     
    Daniel J. Stern, Jul 28, 2004
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