New Jeep Grand Chicory

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Daniel J. Stern, Oct 12, 2004.

  1. Daniel J. Stern

    Steve Guest

    And so how should one respond differently to a blinker or a brake?
    Either one means "this car is slowing down" so its pretty much a moot
    point, especially since both rear lamps (and the CHMSL) are going to be
    simultaneously visible 99% of the time.

    OTOH, seeing amber in limited visibility conditions implies "approaching
    vehicle" which is flat-out false in the case of amber rear turn signals.
    Meaning you have to rely on simultaneously seeing headlamps or taillamps
    to resolve THAT ambiguity. You're just trading one ambiguity for
    another, and I'd argue that the "signal or brake" ambiguity isn't
    particularly dangerous since you should assume that the car is slowing
    to a near-stop (at least) under either condition. The fact of the matter
    is that BOTH systems work perfectly well, both have done so for over 50
    years, and I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a statistically
    different number of collisions based on the color of the rear turn
    signals, except for the "duelling reds" design you mentioned before.
    (That's your open invitation to prove me wrong.) :)
     
    Steve, Oct 14, 2004
    #21
  2. Daniel J. Stern

    Richard Guest

    International agreements, (yes the USA signed and ratified it) mandates that
    amber just be used for flashing lights, front and rear and side. If the USA
    followed that treaty requirement there would be no issue of having to guess
    if a yellow light in the fog was the front or rear of a vehicle, it would
    unambiguously tell you that a vehicle is either flashing a turn or if both
    are flashing, that the vehicle is either very slow or parked. Instead, the
    USA lets the car makers do whatever they want.

    Has anyone done a study to show that our assumptions about amber being safer
    is valid?

    Richard.
     
    Richard, Oct 15, 2004
    #22
  3. Front fogs are white, rear fogs are red (in an offset position) and amber is
    for turning -- Europe.

    There used to be yellow fog lights but very different to amber.

    France used to have yellow headlights.

    All standardised.

    The only thing that isn't is whether headlights should be on during
    daylight.

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    Dori A Schmetterling, Oct 15, 2004
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  4. Daniel J. Stern

    Ted Azito Guest

    Red for STOP, amber for TURN, white for REVERSE....no, that's too complicated.
     
    Ted Azito, Oct 16, 2004
    #24
  5. Well, the rest of the world has it all figured out, but yeah, it does seem
    too complicated for America.
     
    Daniel J. Stern, Oct 16, 2004
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