New German 4 seater gets 157 MPG

"157 mpg with no fancy hybrid drive train, fuel cells, or plug in
paraphernalia. Weighing less than a thousand pounds, the sporty
rear-wheel drive 4-seater is designed to be maximally aerodynamic. the
Loremo sports a modest 2-cylinder, 20 hp turbo diesel motor, has a top
speed of 100 mph, and does 0-60 in ten seconds.... anticipated $13,000
price tag

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/02/loremo_ag_157_m.php

It's a clear indication of what could be done in the USA if the
politicians and major automakers weren't so rotten, and if our highest
paid engineers weren't busy looking for new ways to kill people so we
can take their oil.


Pass this around - it's the sort of news that the hideously corrupt US
establishment does not want the people to know about.

 

Neat. But as the first comment notes, you're grabbing all the best
numbers from both the base and sport models. And "2+2" isn't quite a
4-seater either.

 

Yes, they said the same thing about the fantastic electric cars until
they found that nobody wanted them. The hybrid cars made claims that
most consumers didn't see either. Now they have this car that weighs
less than 1000 lbs.

Did you ever have a cookout and take the greasy tinfoil and throw it in
the fire? Perhaps that's something you should think about before buying
a car like this, especially if you are a bad driver.

 

It's a clear indication of what could be done in the USA if the

You know, I don't really think that's true. The biggest obstacle to
something like that is the consumerists. They've worked so tirelessly to
make cars heavier for 40 years, dragging the politicians and automakers
along kicking and screaming. Just like you, they thought the auto makers
were trying to "kill us all" by making us crash. Because the people who
built cars were "bad" or "out to do us all in" or something. They've made
sure there won't be any really lightweight cars.

There are no thermodynamic obstacles to a 100 mpg car. Heck, I've got an
old Manco Go-kart here with 1 wheel drive that would do it just fine. It's
probably 25 or 30 years old. The obstacles are safety-related.

 

wait til yer doing 60mph and get a sudden 40mph gust of wind from the
side. you'll be airborne. The reason consumers prefer heavy cars is
stability.

 

A VW Jetta turbo diesel 4cyl will easily top 100 mph, and on the highway
will get 47 miles to the gallon. It's acceleration is the same as 4 cyl
gas vehicle, or close enough. It has some of the best safety features
available and best handling.
Electric cars aren't popular because if you commute farther than 60
miles, you're screwed and like all hybrids with batteries, they get
expensive to replace.

 

Bullshit... In 1960 Porsche made a cheap piece of shit called
a Lloyd for the cheap car market. It had 2 aircooled Engine
options. 24 horse and 27 horse. It was either a 2 cylinder or a
3 cylinder. it got 35 to 40 miles per gallon. it came with a manifold
heater and a red dash lite to tell you when you were low on gas and
then set the reserve lever like on a motorcycle. The car had no real top
end as long as the horsepower could push it. Down hill at a 100 mph
and uphill at ever slowing speeds. The car cost $900 and weighed
900 lbs. a dollar a lb. and it did just fine in the El Cajon pass
for crosswind steering. It was a front wheel drive, carried 4 passengers
with room to spare and a healthy man could pick up either end of it.
Do remember the 1948 Chevy..Weighed 2800 lbs and did just fine on the
road. Everybody felt that heavy cars held the road better. A Buick or a
Pontiac in the 40's weighed about 3200 Lbs. The new Corvette weighs
about 4,400 lbs and is ignorantly called a sports car. You do remember
the Volkswagon Bug// And the Volkswagon Karmen Ghia with a red hot
Porsche Engine that ran well over 100 mph.. Or perhaps the Lotus Elite
that weighed 860 lbs and went around 140 mph curves like it was on
railroad tracks. Or the Bug eyed Dishpan shaped Austin Healey sprite
that you froze you ass off in, but couldn't tip it over. It was the
only little car in the early 60's that could safely pass over the
windy Pali Highway Oahu, Hawaiia. The wind hit the cliff reversed and
swept cars off the highway. Lots of folks died there ..before relief
Ports were tunneled into the cliffs allowing the wind to bypass the
highway. I don't know what the MiniCooper gets for mileage, but it looks
like a good option for the economy minded. Some nice little Fiats too.
Dodge has a itty-bitty car also as does Ford... Maybe Chevy too.
Anybody remember the ballon tire Bicycle with the 170 mpg Whizzer
add on motor. How about the Austrian Puch that was so popular until the
Spanish bought it and redesigned it. Remember the Doodle Bug
Motorscooter with a 5\8ths horse Briggs motor. Or the Cushmans.
How about the Harley Davidson courier motorcycles. the 125cc, the 145cc
And the 165cc... Or the Harley Davidson 45CI used by the military and
others. The 1952 AeroWillis got 40 mpg with a 6 cylinger sewing
machine engine and a 3 spped stick with fast overdrive. Nash Metopolitan
had an Austin Engine and a Borgwarner stick and got about the same.
Don't forget Henry J... Little bugger was fast. Or the little Hudson Jet.

 

Try one in South Dakota when its -30º F.. you might get 10 miles with a
frozen ass.

 

Let's see if it gets launched in 2009 as claimed.

Treehuggers can put their money where there mouth is. Lorema is still
seeking investors -- go to their website:

www.loremo.com

DAS

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Sorry it's the consumers who won't buy even the much more fuel efficient
cars that are now available.
Fortunately the current higher gasoline prices are getting people
thinking just a little bit.
By the way, what do you drive?

 

Bullshit...[/QUOTE]
He's right.
I had a few VW Beatles at 1,600 lb which were very difficult to keep
going straight in a strong cross wind and a gusty strong was downright
scarry. I drove lots of miles with the VW, at the time they suited me
far better than the huge USA cars of the time, that got such low fuel
mileage.
However these little cars are OK in inner city use.

Nope. I had that engine in an Austin, 30mpg US max.
My 3.3 L Chrysler Concord gets mileage as good as the 50s Austin 4 and
the VW Beatle, with the advantage it's very stable, in fact strong wind
is hardly noticed.
For todays small cars the Toyota Yaris is excellent for reliability and
fuel mileage, but still an urban vehicle.

 

You know, I don't really think that's true. The biggest obstacle to
something like that is the consumerists. They've worked so tirelessly to
make cars heavier for 40 years, dragging the politicians and automakers
along kicking and screaming. Just like you, they thought the auto makers
were trying to "kill us all" by making us crash. Because the people who
built cars were "bad" or "out to do us all in" or something. They've made
sure there won't be any really lightweight cars.

There are no thermodynamic obstacles to a 100 mpg car. Heck, I've got an
old Manco Go-kart here with 1 wheel drive that would do it just fine. It's
probably 25 or 30 years old. The obstacles are safety-related.[/QUOTE]

What in hell is a Manco Go Cart?

 

What in hell is a Manco Go Cart?
[/QUOTE]
He needs to get 'im a Reliant Regal Supervan III, don' 'e Del Boy?


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They don't even need to be heavy to be stable.

Unfotunately it's seen as 'simple common sense' that heavy cars re stronger by
the public since they don't understand real science. The safest car is often
quite light.

Graham

 

There's little doubt in my mind that smaller turbo diesel powered cars are going
to get very, very popular in the future. Heck, one TV motoring magaizine even
put a sporty 2.0l turbo diesel round the track against its 1.8l petrol engined
brother and the diesel won ! Diesels also have great torque which US drivers
like I believe.

Even some high-end marques that once eschewed diesels now include them in their
ranges such as Jaguar and Saab.

The 'euro Chevvy' just introduced over here also has a diesel option.

Graham

 

He's right.
I had a few VW Beatles at 1,600 lb which were very difficult to keep
going straight in a strong cross wind and a gusty strong was downright
scarry.[/QUOTE]

A Beetle is 1000 miles away from any modrn car. There were plenty of other bad
things about it too.

To dismiss today's lighter cars on the basis of a 1930s design is about as
retarded as it gets.

Graham

 

Do you remember the Bond Bug ? I bet that had good mpg !

Graham

 

1000 lbs? Not after they hang 5 mph bumpers on it, install crumple zones,
collapsing steering column, air bags, side air bags, antilock brakes, and 500
more lbs of anti-pollution equipment all mandated, was mandated, or will be
mandated crap that the US Federal Government did/does/will require. Oh, and
the diesel itself is or will be banned...

Dave Head