Mercedes, Not US, To Bail Out Chrysler

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Comments4u, Dec 1, 2008.

  1. Comments4u

    MoPar Man Guest

    Bill.

    Those that are still pounding the WMD drum (and by extention are Bush /
    Cheney appologists) have got it wrong again.

    Everyone knows (now) that the US and UN and IEAE knew that Iraq had tons
    of yellow cake, which had been in storage since before the 1991 gulf
    war. Which makes the trumped-up charge that Iraq was trying to obtain
    *more* of it all the more strange (and which ignited the Plame / Wilson
    situation and a crime for which nobody in the Bush administration has
    ever been charged with. Please explain how Richard Armitage knew about
    Plame's identity, and why he wasn't charged with treason for revealing
    it to Bob Novak).

    Regarding the yellow cake, read this:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/

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    updated 6:57 p.m. ET, Sat., July. 5, 2008

    The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program — a huge
    stockpile of concentrated natural uranium — reached a Canadian port
    Saturday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week
    airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.

    The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" — the seed material for
    higher-grade nuclear enrichment — was a significant step toward closing
    the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy.

    Israeli warplanes bombed a reactor project at the site in 1981. Later,
    U.N. inspectors documented and safeguarded the yellowcake, which had
    been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf
    War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the
    official said.
    ------------------

    This 550-tone stockpile of yellow cake was never mentioned during Bush's
    leadup to the invasion in March 2003, nor was it ever mentioned during
    the 5+ years of occupation.

    I've been looking for web-sources that might explain where the yellow
    cake came from (was it mined inside Iraq? Did it come from Niger during
    the 1980's?) but can't find any info about this.

    All accounts say that during the UN/US-imposed sanctions, that the IAEA
    had control over the yellowcake. If the US wanted to do a deal and
    remove that yellow cake back in the late 1990's or early 2000's then it
    was well within it's power to do so, and using more conventional
    (cheaper, safer) transport routes - without invading Iraq.

    But all in all, this revelation that the US had flown 550 tons of yellow
    cake out of Iraq this summer didn't get much press, the Bush white house
    was strangely silent about it, and it all goes to show that the invasion
    of Iraq was a charade of mis-information and lies on many fronts.
     
    MoPar Man, Dec 9, 2008
    #61
  2. Comments4u

    Lloyd Guest

    Actually it's pretty obvious you're neither an expert nor objective.
    And what you think are facts are not. Can you cite a source for your
    "facts"?
    Wrong. This was still in the early days. Lots of Chrysler execs,
    including on the Board of Management.
    "Both of Chrysler's current front drive car platforms are being
    replaced by Mitsubishi platforms,"

    http://www.allpar.com/ed/2003/future-of-chrysler.html

    "The fwd vehicle platform for such models as the 2007 Dodge Caliber,
    Jeep Compass and Chrysler Sebring originated at Mitsubishi."

    http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060808/FREE/60807008/1041/PHOTOS

    "Chrysler offers two mid-size cars in the form of the Chrysler Sebring
    and Dodge Avenger, both based on the JS-platform, which was developed
    with Mitsubishi."

    http://jalopnik.com/5062950/gm-vs-chrysler-product-lineup-fantasy-draft

    "The new Sebring will be built on a Mitsubishi Lancer-derived
    platform, "

    http://www.3autos.com/Spy-Shots-2007-Chrysler-Sebring/

    "The Outlander is Mitsubishi's smallest SUV offering in North America.
    The compact crossover is built on the same platform as the Dodge
    Caliber and Chrysler Sebring -- the result of a partnership with
    Chrysler."

    http://www.leftlanenews.com/mitsubishi.htm
     
    Lloyd, Dec 9, 2008
    #62
  3. I doubt the concentration of chlorine reaches swimming pool levels, and I
    doubt that any water authority in the US (& any developed country) would
    permit the circulation of water that is harmful to health.

    Not liking the taste of one's local water is another matter. That, in my
    opinion, is the only reason for filtering at home or drinking still bottled
    water.

    DAS

    To send an e-mail directly replace "spam" with "schmetterling"
     
    Dori A Schmetterling, Dec 10, 2008
    #63
  4. Comprehensible...

    :)
    DAS

    To send an e-mail directly replace "spam" with "schmetterling"
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    Dori A Schmetterling, Dec 10, 2008
    #64
  5. Comments4u

    Bill Putney Guest

    You'd be surprised - do a chemical strip test on tap water in a
    municipal supply in a house close to the treatment facility's outlet.
    It tells you something when you can walk by a bathroom where water is
    being run and smell the chlorine.
     
    Bill Putney, Dec 10, 2008
    #65
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    C-BODY Guest

    When it was "fashionable" for USA car companies to partner with non-USA
    car companies to fill particular model gaps in their lineups, GM got 10%
    of Isuzu (for the Light Utility Vehicle "LUV" truck to counter the Mazda
    and Mitsu small trucks of Ford and Chrysler, respectively), Ford got 10%
    of Mazda, and Chrysler got 10% of Mitsu. Don't forget the long-time
    European partner of Chrysler, The Rootes Group (which contributed the
    Plymouth Cricket sedan!

    GM's agreement to sell the LUV trucks ended in the earlier 1980s when
    Isuzu established their own CAR and truck distribution network. Ford's
    involvement with Mazda is still operational as they have partnered with
    several late-model vehicles. Chrysler's involvement with Mitsu has
    seemed to end with the current mid-size platforms, vehicle-wise, but
    will continue for many years due to replacement parts issues for these
    vehicles. GM's still involved with Isuzu via the DuraMax diesels.

    I know that Mitsu was a design partner in the new engines and also the
    platform the Sebring/Avenger is on, but that probably does not explain
    the styling of the Sebring (compared to the LH-era Chrysler products,
    the current Sebring is like taking the Forward Look 1955 Chrysler
    products and replacing them with the prior 1954 models--still functional
    and reasonably stylish, but not nearly as spiffy). The people I see
    driving the current Sebring sedans are people that would look good in
    the 1954 (and prior) Chryslers, rather than young families or
    utility-minded singles. Obviously, the styling was "Mercedes-ized",
    make that "Old Mercedes" as opposed to the swooopy newer art deco
    Mercedes sedans.

    I somewhat suspect that Cerberus didn't fully realize that Daimler was
    selling them a lineup of vehicles that had few stars. Mercedes and all
    of their "stellar" engineering and cache has seemed to leave Cerberus
    with many lack-luster cars and a new line of great trucks. The new 300
    looks good, but has that blocky "non-aero-friendly" shape. The Calibre
    is also too square in shape (I wonder how many really bought it for the
    tailgate boombox???) and a poor replacement for the Neon. Nitro???
    why, other than to put enough product and volume into the plant to make
    it economically viable?

    When Chrysler did the LH cars and subsequent vehicles, after the "round"
    Ram truck, they had good vehicles that came to market quicker than the
    normal industry time (3 years rather than 4-5) and sold well and MADE
    MONEY. The plants were running full steam three shifts while GM plants
    were being idled, or closed, or sold. Chrylser union employees got
    something like $10K EACH for their profit sharing bonus during that
    time. The "Golden Years" of Chrysler V2.0 when Chrysler put enough
    money into the bank that Kerkorian got jealous and wanted some in the
    form of greater dividends.

    Still, though, these were some of Chrysler's best years for product and
    profits in their entire corporate history. Kind of like when Walter P.
    let another building owner build what they thought was the tallest
    building in New York . . . until he and his building maintenance people
    snuck into the upper part of The Chrysler Building and released the
    upper spire to make The Chrysler Building the tallest building . . .
    just as they had obviously planned to do all along.

    I found the "press release" quite interesting! Congrats for your
    innovative efforts! In reality, IF Chrysler could do what is mentioned,
    with some upgrades for the newer safety standards and emissions, they
    would AGAIN have a winning group of vehicles! Perhaps, they could make
    the prior Eagle Vision into the Plymouth Fury it should have been? LOTS
    of possibilities!

    In reality, if Chrysler could recreate the chemistry they had during
    those LH-era times, ld be a winning combination today! A winning
    combination that could also be "loaned" to GM. The "answers" to the
    immediate future lie in the Chrysler Corporation of the 1990s!!!!!

    Regards,

    C-BODY
     
    C-BODY, Dec 11, 2008
    #66
  7. Try Philadelphia tap water, a.k.a Schuylkill Punch. The chlorine may
    not quite be up to swimming pool levels, but it still burns when it
    goes down.
     
    Matthew Russotto, Dec 11, 2008
    #67
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