Mercedes and Chrysler was never a winning combination

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by DC, Nov 15, 2008.

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    DC Guest

    Top Speed http://atu.ca/71d88

    Lee Iacocca, the man who brought Chrysler back from the
    brink in the 80s, wanted to merge Chrysler into a larger
    company called Global Motors. He believed that taking U.S.
    manufacturing strength, European style, and Japanese build
    quality, would make the perfect cars. This is definitely
    what he DIDN'T have in mind: http://atu.ca/MercedesChrysler

    This is for those who’ve decided that the perfect car is
    one that incorporates an almost twenty-year-old German
    design with 80s American “we’re bring quality back,
    really!” engineering. Although it looks like a Mercedes
    600SL from the previous generation, it just a 1990 Chrysler
    LeBaron with a bad German accent. The possible saving grace
    of the car is it uses a 3.0-liter V6 engine from Mitsubishi
    that Chrysler was passing off as its own.

    While it may look tempting to pick this up for between one
    and two thousand dollars, do a little more digging on the
    internet. A genuine Mercedes 300SL from the same era can be
    had for a few grand more. Those cars come with a 228 hp six-
    cylinder (versus about 140 hp in the LeBaron)...

    So before this car rattles off into the sunset, hopefully
    to never be heard from again, let’s give it a fitting name.
    How about Chrycedes? Mercesler? No wait…it’s definitely the
    Red LeBaron.
     
    DC, Nov 15, 2008
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    Lloyd Guest

    Hey, how about that "Chrysler's TC by Maserati" huh? That WAS Lido's
    creation, and a bomb to put it mildly.
     
    Lloyd, Nov 17, 2008
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    Joe Pfeiffer Guest

    It's also something neither Chrysler nor Daimler had in mind. It is,
    as the listing says, "fully customized" -- so it's some numbnuts
    owner's idea of what he wanted.

    Yes, well, those of us who have owned vehicles powered by Mitsubishi
    engines (in my case, the infamous 2.6) don't regard their engines as a
    saving grace. To put it very, very politely.
    I never understood why that one made it to market. When the concept
    was first floated it seemed intriguing, but by the time it was out it
    just looked like a Le Baron coupe with a body kit (yes, I know there
    was a lot more to it than that. But the styling...).

    And, let me mention, I owned a 1987 Le Baron turbo coupe for a long
    time, and it was a lovely little car.

    While I agree with you about the desirability of this car, please
    don't blame it on the company(ies).
     
    Joe Pfeiffer, Nov 17, 2008
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    Bob Shuman Guest

    I also owned a 1987 Lebaron GTS 2.2L Turbo 4 Door Sedan. It was a blast to
    drive, handled unbelievably, and got great mileage too. The electronics it
    contained were way ahead of their time.

    If Chrysler would simply bring that type of inexpensive performance vehicle
    back out of mothballs and just update the body styling slightly to make it
    more contemporary, I think they would have potential to rise from the grave
    again.

    Bob
     
    Bob Shuman, Nov 18, 2008
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    Lloyd Guest

    From all I read, it seems their 4-cylinder engines then were smoother
    and quieter than the ones now too. And a K-car was roomy; the H-cars
    (Lancer, LeBaron hatchbacks) were roomy and good handling. You're
    right -- Chrysler should do retro, and do it right!
     
    Lloyd, Nov 18, 2008
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    Some O Guest

    That saving grace was part of Chrysler's engine problems.
    Has Mitsubishi ever made a good engine?
    Their 2.5 4 cyl and 3.0 V6 in friends Chrysler cars weren't even close
    to my Chrysler engines that replaced them.
     
    Some O, Nov 27, 2008
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    Some O Guest

    I agree. I had the 2.5L version of the GTS for 10 years.
    It was an excellent package and would be lovely with todays drive train
    enhancements.
    I still see quite a few of them in the road, the body styling still
    looks very good. It smokes the boxy 300's looks.
     
    Some O, Nov 27, 2008
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    Joe Pfeiffer Guest

    Was there a 2.5 Mitsu? The really infamouse Mitsu engine was the 2.6;
    the 2.5 I remember was a bored Chrysler 2.2 with balance shafts.
     
    Joe Pfeiffer, Nov 27, 2008
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    Steve Guest


    What pisses me off is all the non-car schmucks out there that think
    "Chrysler engines burn oil" because of those POS Mitsushitti engines
    that went in Chrysler products for years. REAL Chrysler-designed engines
    are damn near indestructible. Well, except for the 2.7, but even it's
    doing pretty good these days.
     
    Steve, Dec 1, 2008
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    Steve Guest

    There was a Mitsubishi 2.5L SIX cylinder in the late 90s, used mostly in
    the "cloud" cars. It was ever-so-slightly less pathetic than the
    Mitsubishi 3.0, and was replaced by the poorest Chrysler engine in
    modern memory- but still better than any Mitsu- th 2.7L v6.
     
    Steve, Dec 1, 2008
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    Bill Putney Guest

    Except that invariably their exhaust valve seals go bad at around 120k
    miles and they start exuding puffs of smoke out the exhaust. I
    shouldn't complain though - my 2.7 has 210k miles on it - I just
    replaced the water pump, oil pump, and timing chain as preventive
    maintenance along with all 24 valve seals, so it will be good for
    another 1/4 mil. So I shouldn't complain.
     
    Bill Putney, Dec 2, 2008
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    Larry Guest

    what about the Crossfire?
    Merc engine, USA body


     
    Larry, Dec 25, 2008
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