Looking for a mid-size domestic car recommendation

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by steve, Aug 15, 2004.

  1. steve

    Brad Clarke Guest

    Didn't those beasts also have problems with the automatic transmissions?
     
    Brad Clarke, Aug 20, 2004
  2. steve

    Bill Putney Guest

    From my reading of their forums for a couple of years, not if the fluid
    is changed on a reasonably regular basis, but, yes you do read of a
    failure every now and then, like on any car forum of whatever brand.
    I've not had any tranny problems. I did have the fluid changed once on
    both the '96 and the '98.

    Bill Putney
    (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    address with "x")
     
    Bill Putney, Aug 20, 2004
  3. steve

    Brad Clarke Guest

    I remember reading at one time that Mystique & Contour owners were
    lobbying Ford to fix the transmissions.
     
    Brad Clarke, Aug 20, 2004
  4. steve

    Geoff Guest

    Sure. So then there's no such thing as Americans who lack access to basic
    What I'd like to know is: who promised it to everyone? The Constitution
    sure didn't.

    --Geoff
     
    Geoff, Aug 20, 2004
  5. steve

    Geoff Guest

    Well, I am quite a character Dan. You know _that_ by now. I'll tip my hat
    in salute to you as the same, brother.

    I'm unaware of any utopian thinking in my views, but I'll let you point it
    out to me. Maybe I'm too close to see it. Regardless, my intentions are
    pure.

    ***

    I don't mind pissing on collectivists and socialists because the world by
    and large has proven their ideology to be fatally flawed. (I'd sooner not
    piss on anyone, but experience has taught me that efforts to inform and
    educate, discuss politely, or even to just say, hey, there's two sides to
    this coin fall on deaf ears. So I console myself in the fun of pissing on
    'em. It's a small hobby of mine.)

    So too with the pure unrestrained capitalists. I don't advocate for
    unrestrained capitalism. I just advocate *against* socialism in its myriad
    forms. I think it's oppressive and evil and insidious. It hurts the very
    people it purports to help.

    I don't think anybody ought to gripe about what somebody else makes. Of
    course, they're free to do so, because we revere the freedom of speech. But
    I get my back up when people start talking like it should be a matter of
    law, or that it's all somehow so unfair. Life is unfair. Get over it
    already. *Government* doesn't (or shouldn't) exist to make life more fair.
    'Fairness' is a red herring, a proverbial windmill against which millions of
    liberal Don Quixotes tilt each and every day. It's a shame such effort goes
    to waste.

    I'm amused at how powerless people in this NG seem to feel about their own
    lives. It would be sad if it wasn't so funny. Of course, it strikes me
    that they might all just be so damn broke and overleveraged that they've
    gotta have someone to blame. I dunno.

    But I remain, truly yours, the same 'Geoff character' you've come to know
    and..uh..occasionally read in Usenet. Nice to catch a passing mention from
    you.

    Oh, and by the way, I finally took your advice to use Pine on one of my
    machines. I like it. I don't love it, but it's better than Outbreak
    Express. Thanks. I'll be switching the others over sooner or later.

    Regards,
    --Geoff
     
    Geoff, Aug 20, 2004
  6. steve

    Geoff Guest

    Yes I do have a problem with how State Farm Spends it's policyholders
    That's hardly unusual in corporate America. I've seen the same thing in
    (*cough*) other places. Face it, we're a wasteful society. It's not
    limited to business--after all, the people who make bad decisions like that
    go home and dork around on Usenet just like you 'n me. It's everyone. It's
    a byproduct of being the wealthiest country that the planet has ever hosted.
    We have more, so more is worth less. Human nature, I guess.
    That's interesting calculus. At the moment, ideas like that are putting
    Sweden in the poorhouse, and the Europeans had to band together (to create
    one *big* sinking ship, instead of several smaller ones.) But I respect
    your opinion, and the polite way you've delivered it, and it's been a fun
    exchange. Woodward Dream cruise is imminent, and so my mind is turning to
    other things here in God's country-for-the-automobile.

    Have a great weekend.

    --Geoff
     
    Geoff, Aug 20, 2004
  7. steve

    Bill Putney Guest

    That may be the case - I just don't recall reading much about it. If
    that is the case, it would show up in a search of the forum on
    www.contour.org.

    Bill Putney
    (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    address with "x")
     
    Bill Putney, Aug 20, 2004
  8. I doubt you comprehend the history and purpose of the European Union.

    DAS
    --
    For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
    ---

    [............]

    , and the Europeans had to band together (to create
    ......................
     
    Dori A Schmetterling, Aug 20, 2004
  9. steve

    Art Guest

    Sorry but I know someone who licked leukemia and has rheumatoid arthritis.
    Real estate agent so self employed and earns about $60k a year. No one will
    sell her health insurance.
     
    Art, Aug 20, 2004
  10. steve

    Art Guest

    Unfortuantely those programs do not have the funds to handle the need. The
    money is going to Iraq.
     
    Art, Aug 20, 2004
  11. steve

    Art Guest

    First you argue there is no class divide. Now you argue the lower class has
    no rights. Are you a constitutional lawyer or Supreme Court judge? Somehow
    I doubt it.
     
    Art, Aug 20, 2004
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    Bob Urz Guest

    I am personly surprised that Mike does not have a GT40 yet......... ;)

    Bob
     
    Bob Urz, Aug 20, 2004
  13. Human compassion ain't your strong suit, is it?
     
    Daniel J. Stern, Aug 20, 2004
  14. steve

    DustyRhoades Guest

    I'm curious, what percentage of you annual income do
    you donate to charity? ;)


    mike hunt
     
    DustyRhoades, Aug 20, 2004
  15. | Unfortuantely those programs do not have the funds to handle the need. The
    | money is going to Iraq.
    |

    No, the funds are there for those that seek it. Site a source that has
    documented that large numbers of people are being turned down their request for
    aid for lack of funds. Usually they're turned down because they won't meet the
    conditions for the aid (things like submit job applications).
     
    James C. Reeves, Aug 21, 2004
  16. If her health insurance didn't pay to the terms and conditions of the policy,
    then go to court. However, IF she didn't have insurance then she obviously
    _chose_ not to have health insurance before she got sick. That was a bad
    choice...a gamble taken and lost. It is not the government's fault for the
    choices we make. You certainly don't expect a company to say, "sure we'll
    insure you now for $300-$400 a month now that we have to pony-up
    $500,000.00...it ain't gonna happen. It's like asking a homeowners insurance
    company to give you a policy after your house burns down...it ain't gonna
    happen! Folks, get health insurance NOW before you get sick! The odds are
    very high you will need it!

    | Sorry but I know someone who licked leukemia and has rheumatoid arthritis.
    | Real estate agent so self employed and earns about $60k a year. No one will
    | sell her health insurance.
    |
     
    James C. Reeves, Aug 21, 2004
  17. Now that you mention it, it does have a musty odor inside. I have to check the
    seal. Thanks for the tip.

    | Sounds like an early one like mine. Call them and say you have a mildew
    | stain on the gray seal and it smells inside. They will come to your house
    | for free and after they are done you will have new seal with drain,
    | ventilated inner door, improve cycles though they are slightly longer,
    | better rinsing, protection of the door lock form chlorine fumes. Takes
    | about an hour. The phone number is on the machine where you stick in
    | detergent. By the way they will sell you a 3 year extended warranty for
    | about $325 which might be worth it on an older machine. But the fix is free
    | even without buying the extended warranty.
    |
     
    James C. Reeves, Aug 21, 2004
  18. steve

    Art Guest

    If you are laid off you can only keep the old insurance for a limited length
    of time under the law a few years ago. Not sure what the law is now. Also
    the rates can go sky high when you are laid off and take the plan private.
    Also the old company can lay off a bunch of people, discontinue the old
    health plan so the laid off people are not eligible to continue in the old
    plan. Then they start a new plan for the current employees. Or in some
    cases the companies go out of business leaving people without health
    insurance. I guess you live a sheltered life.
     
    Art, Aug 21, 2004
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    Bill Putney Guest

    In the U.S., you would be taling about continuation under the COBRA Act.
    I believe they must make it available to continue you under the plan you
    were under at the time of layoff. BTW - If you get laid off and your
    previous employer tries to play games with your eligibility for COBRA or
    what's available under COBRA, call the Department of Labor - they
    absolutely **LOVE** to go after companies that try to skirt the law in
    this area. I called the DoL about something that a previous employer
    was telling me that didn't jive with what the COBRA Act itself seemed to
    say on the subject, and when I explained the question to the DoL, I had
    to hold the DoL off from going after them - they begged me to turn them
    loose on them. I was able to use that fact as leverage to get the
    previous employer to do what the Act required, and they changed their
    tune **VERY** quickly (sometimes I wish I had turned the DoL loose on
    them - they deserved it for several reasons - for one thing, they - a
    French-owned company - laid off a bunch of Americans in their U.S.-based
    plant in order to bring French employees over to fill the same spots - a
    big no-no according to U.S. federal labor laws. There were other
    sleeze-ball things they did too that I won't go into).
    Always a risk, but you could also walk out your door and get run over by
    a truck too. 8^)

    Bill Putney
    (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    address with "x")
     
    Bill Putney, Aug 22, 2004
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    Bill Putney Guest

    Meant to type "...you would be talking about...

    Bill Putney
    (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    address with "x")
     
    Bill Putney, Aug 22, 2004
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