LA 318 cooling prob has me fretting

Oh, it pressurized alright...trust me...especially after sucking some
air in there and then warming up. Gets right up to 12 lbs in a hurry.

True. The Stant is a partial pressure cap, but they do make a full
pressure version. If this continues, I'll try one. I never had a
problem with the partial pressure cap prior to this incident.'

Although the plugged weep hole did slow down the sucking of air into
the pump, it didn't stop it completely, as tugging on the "safety"
vent lever proved after doing some errands...there was SOME air (NOT
steam) in there, for certain, but not nearly as much, and there wasn't
enough air in the system to prevent the heater from getting hot water.
Maybe pump changeout tomorrow...THEN we'll know more.

 

Front end came off this afternoon, and the "el cheapo" pump was
installed properly...but a cheapo. I'm suspicious of the lip seal
indeed, as it appears to be cocked somewhat. It's a crappy little
affair compaired to the Cardone rebuild I got. Interesting also is
that the "el cheapo" has 7 small vanes that are set too shallow, while
the Cardone pump has 6 big vanes that go all the way back to the end
of the shaft. The lip seal arrangement also looked a LOT beefier on
the Cardone; the "el cheapo" spring for the lip seal was so weak, I
could press it down with my finger easily. Also, there were tell-tale
signs of leakage around the weep hole once I got the pump off...even
more evidence of early seal failure. The "el cheapo" is only two
years old.

The front cover, amazingly, shows no real signs of corrosion at all,
but I'm going to ScotchBrite the surface to take a better look, just
to be sure.

Looks like I found the problem, but won't know until I make everything
"pretty" (I'm nuts about keeping things clean and painted) and
properly installed and then do a test run. But, it wouldn't surprise
me. I lot of service station operators are using bottom-barrel parts
suppliers like Poop Boys and AutoBone of late to save money, and this
may be an example. From the looks of things, I'd recommend this
A-1/Cardone rebuild to any pro. They have a couple of plants in
Pennsylvania and customer service/shipping is lightning fast, even
through a reseller. They also have smog pumps...something I may have
to do as well, since I note only two of the three vanes in mine are
really moving a lot of air! Another thing to inspect/fix/replace.

Oh the joy of old cars. Keeps guys like me out of trouble with the
local girls, though! Thanks to Steve for all his helpful tips.

 

....and is now back together and cooling as new! I just backflushed
the radiator core, as it was flowing too well to really indicate a
rodding, and there wasn't much header scale in the top tank.

Cause: Defective lip seal in cheaply rebuilt water pump.

Thanks to all for their ideas.

 

DESERTBOB (not its real name) is a troll.
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including many rabid/sex/racist groups.
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but rapidly drifts into lies, abuse and stupidity.
Check its details at Google Groups at this URL

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It is a sad creature, deserving of pity, not anger.
Any direct response simply feeds it,
but it will go away if you ignore it.

 

Is the Cardonne only available by mail, or are they sold by any
retailers? Do you have any experience with water pumps sold by NAPA?
Just curious.

-KM

 

A-1/Cardone is a rebuilder/manufacturer. They do not sell direct, but
their porducts are available at retailers, including rockauto.com,
probably one of the better online parts stores. Most of their
retailing is on the east coast, however, but their rebuild quality is
excellent from what I've seen.

I've never had many problems with NAPA parts, as a rule, and they're
always preferrable over "bonehead" retailers like Poop Boys and
AutoBone. It's best to avoid those two places in particular...bad
parts, worse counter help, sneaky corporate pricing games. Most all
NAPA stores I've ever dealt with (for 30+ years) are pretty good,
although I notice lately that they're sort of "morphing" in to a
better Poop Boys, as they're feeling the competition.

For locally bought parts, I still trade with local independents. The
big chain stores aren't even good for simple items like oil and
filters anymore. AutoBone doesn't even carry straight weight oil
anymore from the big producers, only their house brand garbage oil!
Reason? More profit mark-up in "cachet" multi-weights, especially the
syns and syn blends. Do some pricing...AutoBone is usually more
expensive on these items than most others.

Another bone to pick with the big chains...poor quality belts and
hoses. AutoBone carries Mexican belts and molded hoses with
predictably poor quality. PoopBoys seems more interested in selling
illegal "pocket bikes," go-karts, refrigerators and DVD players than
auto parts. Shame, since I remember when the old, pre-corporate Pep
Boys was a pretty decent and cheap place for old car fans to get
stuff. Now, if your car is more than 10 years old, forget it....they
won't carry it at all. Their counter help is de rigeur for corporate
retailers these days...meaning minimum wage, off-the-street dummies.
Most wouldn't know the business end of a wrench from a ball peen!

 

See alt.collecting.8-track-tapes for the skinny on this troll. He's
trying to "trollshift," a trick he thinks that works, which he got off
of flayme.com. His real name is Charles M. Nudo, Jr., of Drums, PA, a
well known eBay fraudster and crook as 66fourdoor.

Kill file? YES! But beware...he used to use at least 14 different
pseudonyms over the years, but thanks to having many accounts banned
for bad behavior, is now down to about 3 or 4.

 

DESERTBOB aka OLDECHRYSLER aka OLDIECHRYSLER (not its real name) is a
troll.
It regularly frequents at least twenty news groups,
including many rabid/sex/racist groups.
Normally, it starts off with reasonable, even witty lines,
but rapidly drifts into lies, abuse and stupidity.
Check its details at Google Groups at these URL's- it now is using (2)
Google accounts to answer its own posts here.

http://groups.google.com/groups/pro...AAf1goyQutX1XvM4SoVDe462TtJSBA4fw84ImzlcMxDpg

http://groups.google.com/groups/pro...ADKWt-YFW4KG3QbhQogR222h-kUg4S0n7nbF1Te82ZIng

It is a sad creature, deserving of pity, not anger.
Any direct response simply feeds it,
but it will go away if you ignore it.

This troll actually HATES American cars, despises the Big Three USA
automakers, and its main car is a 1979 Honda. Read its posting history
as "DeserTBob" to see volumes of anti-American rhetoric- and also its
constant spam and trolling- it has shifted itself from the
alt.collecting.8track group to your Chrysler group. To see this trolls
homepage and what it actually looks like, see this URL link below:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=30321125

 

Lie. He's "trollshifting"...or at least trying to do so. See him get
outed as a Usenet moron (on Goo Goo Groopz...where else?) in
alt.collecting.8-track-tapes. He's also a known criminal who uses
extortion and bribes to get "good" feedback on eBay as 66fourdoor.

Solution: Kill File

 

BICYCLE (not its real name) is a troll.
It regularly frequents at least twenty news groups,
including many rabid/sex/racist groups.
Normally, it starts off with reasonable, even witty lines,
but rapidly drifts into lies, abuse and stupidity.
Check its details at Google Groups at this URLs- it has recently been
"branded" as a troll with its previous username, and has just created a
new Google Groups name to post here as "OldeChrysler"- read its post
history at these links for an eye-opening expose'- if you look at the
email addresses for each epiphany will strike- check its recent posts
on alt.collecting.8tracktapes where it shows its true nature.

http://groups.google.com/groups/pro...ADKWt-YFW4KG3QbhQogR222h-kUg4S0n7nbF1Te82ZIng

http://groups.google.com/groups/pro...AAf1goyQutX1XvM4SoVDe462TtJSBA4fw84ImzlcMxDpg

It is a sad creature, deserving of pity, not anger.
Any direct response simply feeds it,
but it will go away if you ignore it.

 

BICYCLE (not its real name) is a troll.
It regularly frequents at least twenty news groups,
including many rabid/sex/racist groups.
Normally, it starts off with reasonable, even witty lines,
but rapidly drifts into lies, abuse and stupidity.
Check its details at Google Groups at this URLs- it has recently been
"branded" as a troll with its previous username, and has just created a
new Google Groups name to post here as "OldeChrysler"- read its post
history at these links for an eye-opening expose'- if you look at the
email addresses for each epiphany will strike- check its recent posts
on alt.collecting.8tracktapes where it shows its true nature.

http://groups.google.com/groups/pro...ADKWt-YFW4KG3QbhQogR222h-kUg4S0n7nbF1Te82ZIng

http://groups.google.com/groups/pro...AAf1goyQutX1XvM4SoVDe462TtJSBA4fw84ImzlcMxDpg

It is a sad creature, deserving of pity, not anger.
Any direct response simply feeds it,
but it will go away if you ignore it.

Ok children, go to the corner for a time out

 

102° here today. Stop and go driving, AC running without
cycling...never got above thermostat temperature, ever. Who says
those single row core radiators were "weak?"

Being curious (and having too much time on my hands sometimes) I took
the old one and pressed off the impeller to get a look at the
condition of the cheapie lip seal used in it. The failure cause was a
poor quality rubber used as the sealing agent...even with distilled
water/polypropylene glycol, the seal was severely abraded and the
rubber appeared "checked." The bearing was still good, but didn't
look to be of very good quality. This, in combination with a really
weak (no rust) seal spring, and all hell broke loose in the cooling
system.

Another object lesson in "you get what you pay for!"

 

OldeChrysler wrote:
..

Att: Chrysler fans- "OldeChrysler" aka "DeserTBob" is a poser- he
drives a 1979 Honda and has been flaming American cars on Usenet now
for 5 years. See his previous threads below:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt....e6b?lnk=st&q=old+cars&rnum=9#e9feda3dbd3fee6b

http://groups.google.com/group/alt....69b?lnk=st&q=old+cars&rnum=3#94c07ac97796969b

 

ATT: "OldeChrysler" aka "DeserTBob" is a ricer, read his previous
pro-rice post below:



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One BIG reason? Long term support. I just ordered some miscellaneous
OEM gasket and small parts for my Accord, and Honda still provides
them, along with internet ordering! Try THAT with GM or Ford! This
car is 27 years old, and I can still get most all critical parts to
keep it running as it should. Trim and interior parts are spotty, but
still available sometimes, and in the right color! I remember my '70
Ford...after five years, you couldn't order dash pads for it
anymore...five years! I put a new dash in that Accord in 1997, fresh
from the factory, and in the CORRECT color.

Another story on this. For reasons never fully explained, my
grandmother bought one of 199 Toyota Crowns sold in the US that year.
This was truly a "japmobile"...4.11 gears with 14" rims which would
give about 4500 RPM at freeway speeds, archiac power steering stolen
from GM's Saginaw design used from 1951-'55, a direct and smaller copy
of Moraine's power brake unit, a downsided copy of the
Borg-Warner/Ford FMX transmission, dash design stolen from the 1969-70
Oldsmobile...just a patchwork of mismatched, badly engineered parts
that didn't work well. Add the then-common "jap" styling, and you had
a real novelty...and one that would have people stop and gawk every
time you drove it. In Japan, these cars were considered to be
limousines, and all high government and industry officials of the late
'60s and early '70s were chauffeured around in them. True to form of
the era, it was too small for most any American, unless you were a
woman. It also had the horrid 4M straight 6 cylinder engine, which,
like many Toyotas of the era, would burn exhaust valves regularly due
to bad cooling design. The 4M also had siamesed cylinders, which gave
uneven piston skirt and ring wear. Chevrolet also had siamesed
cylinders on its dreadful small block 400", which didn't last very
long.


Anyway, Grandma gave the Crown to my Mom to use as a "grocery getter"
so she wouldn't have to use the Cadillac around town, and Grandma went
to a Buick X body, which lasted her until she died in it in an
accident. Not that it mattered much to my mom...the Crown got worse
gas mileage than did the Cadillac...around 11 MPG around town, MAYBE
14 on the road. Anyway, since it was such a curiousity to people on
the street, and in mint condition, we kept it in the fleet.


One day many years later, a tell tale puddle of green under the front
of the engine foretold a failing water pump seal. Getting a water
pump for Toyopet 4M in the US was nigh impossible through most parts
sources, but one call to a local Toyota dealer had a new pump, with
its captive viscous fan drive clutch, air freighted to him the next
day! $104, which for a water pump in those days was outrageous, but
they had the parts. Other very obscure oddball parts for this
particular car, such as the retro-50s power steering gearbox, were
also similarly available for years afterward, even though only 199 of
these things were sold in the US in 1971!


Try that on GM or Ford...FAHGEDDABOUDIT! However, Chrysler has bucked
that trend, and you can still get many minor parts for the old M-body
RWD Fifth Avenues today, even though most M-bodies are more than 20
years old. I bet Noodles can't get a lot of parts for his Grand Prick
now, either! HAHAHAHAHAHA!


Oh...the Crown? My sister wound up with it, and sold it to an
interested collector. Despite her inability to keep a car running for
more than a year at a time, the Crown carried her around for two.
Reason she got rid of it? Bad fuel economy!

 

AttL Chrysler fans- "OldeChrysler" aka "DeserTBob" is a ricer posing as
an old car buff- read his pro-rice post below:

33 From: DeserTBoB - view profile
Date: Sat, Dec 18 2004 7:56 pm
Email: DeserTBoB <>


Sounds about right. American Honda frowned on dealers tacking on a
big markup due to the cars' popularity, but many did anyway, sometimes
up to $500, putting the Honda into the Big 3's price territory...and
they'd STILL outsell 'em. The Datsun store I worked at briefly was
tacking on $750 onto 280Zs and $500 on longbed pickups using the old
"LustreGlaze" scam...$750 for a cheapie wax job...just to make up for
the lousy sales on everything else. They couldn't get rid of 710s no
matter how high the spiff or how hard the ad campaign. One weekend,
the snails manager offered a $500 spiff on ANY 710 sold that weekend,
regardless of how many. As luck would have it, I managed to get four
"ups" looking for wagons, and we had 4 710 wagons, two in that ugly
pumpkin orange, one in a nasty "rubber red", but one in a really nice
dark metallic green. I was quite happy, and so was the store owner,
just to get rid of 'em. The F&I guys were really pissed off, since
three were cash deals. F&I guys would try to rip off the salesman,
even on cash deals, by throwing a "pad" in on the rear end of the
deal, but I'd always catch them. Chuckie Noodles would've made a
GREAT F&I guy; they were all crooks and frauders.

Meanwhile, down the street at Honda, people couldn't get enough of the
Accord and Civic hatchbacks...they were literally selling them off the
trucks as they arrived, and they were taking two and three deliveries
a DAY. They had to have 2 shifts of prep guys just to set 'em up
right off the trucks and drive 'em to the front to make delivery. A
guy who sold over there told me there was no selling involved...just
order taking, and they got full commish on each one. They sold
themselves. Things were a little better over at the Toyota store,
Celicas being the big movers over there, as well as the tinny
Corrolas, but nothing like what Honda had going. Over at the
Chrysler-Plymouth store, the only thing that was selling out were
Aspens and Cordobas. I remember one weekend I drove by, and they had
all their "Space Duster" hatchbacks backed up to the street with the
hatches open, and they sold 'em all out in one Saturday. Hatches were
hot in the '70s. People liked the Cordoba, too...until they checked
the gas mileage.

In the Clarion display most Datsun dealers had, there was the "el
cheapo" AM/FM mono (not a too bad radio, actually), a really lousy
AM/FM stereo (bad noise problems) with shitty 4" speakers, an
AM/FM/cassette (actually by Fujitsu) and...TADA...one AM/FM/8 track
from...RCA! This was back before the days of lots of aftermarket
in-dash radios, so selling radios was a profitable business. Most
opted for the stock AM/FM mono, which I believe tacked on $39.95. The
second most popular was the RCA 8 track, and I remember that set had
some balls to it. I seem to remember it was more expensive than the
Fujistu-Ten cassette, which was ALWAYS coming back for warranty
repair. The RCAs were so popular, they'd "recycle" them as 1 or 2
year old cars would come back on trade-in, clean the heads, and sell
them as "demonstrator" units on new cars. Over at Honda, the Panasonc
AM/FM/8 track was their biggest seller by far...the one with the
fold-away radio scale. No power, but clean sounding until you pushed
it too far. The Honda stock AM Fujitsu-Ten radios were really awful,
so they made a lot of money on 8 tracks back in those years.

I seem to remember GM being VERY pissed off at longtime franchise
holders who'd add Japanese lines. I know this Datsun dealer had to
build a separate facility away from his B-O-P outlet, or GM threatened
to start screwing with his inventory, which was their perogative,
since he was an independent operator using factory provided stock.
Factory outlet stores, which still existed in those days, were
especially vulnerable to this, since GM was paying the flooring costs
on the cars and the dealer had no money up front on any of them.
Franchisees had more latitude, since they had to pay all flooring
costs. If an outlet operator pissed off Woodward Avenue enough,
though, they'd wind up with crap like 4 cylinder stick shift Pontiac
Venturas they couldn't sell. You remember those...the rebadged Novas
with the "engine flavor of the day" which started that big GM engine
fraud lawsuit. I remember going to an Olds store and finding three V8
Omegas on the line...one with an Olds 350, one with a Chevy 305, and
one with a Buick 301! I remember asking the "up" guy, "Since when do
you sell all three BOP cars here?" His reply, "Just go to parts,
stick whatever badge you want on 'em." What a nudofraud deal THAT
was....

They should've given you a free new Delco 8 track every time you'd
blow a rear end...which'd be about 4 times a year, as I remember them.
'66s were THE worst for that. Go around a corner, the spider gears
would crack in half. I heard the early '67s were the same, but a
production change in that model run fixed the problem.

dB

 

....kicking you to the curb.

Kill file list:





.....and a couple of others of which he's probably forgotten the
passwords. Most of his other Google troll accounts have already been
shut down.

 

Looks like "OldeChrysler" aka "DeserTBob" has been outed again. Both
as a troll, and as a dumb ass, who tore down an entire 318 motor for a
"cooling problem", when in fact the problem was a stuck thermostat.

 

....putting Charlie Nudo of Drums, PA into the crusher...again.

Kill file list:





.....and a couple of others of which he's probably forgotten the
passwords. Most of his other Google troll accounts have already been
shut down.