Is this newsgroup monitored by Chrysler?

If Daimler-Chrysler reads this newsgroup and has an official responder, I
invite him to come forward and acknowledge it. You have the opportunity of
a lifetime to actively engage with people who are interested in seeing you
supercede GM, Ford, and the myriad of competitors who gnaw at your ankles.

We sincerely care about the Corporation and stand ready to provide any
assistance you require to gain world domination.

 

No they quit because I made the grievous gaffe of saying the reluctor
was brass. It's steel, the feeler gauge is brass. But it's used only on
Mopars.

 

On behalf of Chrysler Corporation, let me apologize for making
them adjustable and the resulting lifelong mental scars.

 

I doubt it.
If they were more interested in building cars we want, they would ask us.
But no, the auto industry just tries out something different then chase
after what is selling best.
In their defense many car consumers are so emotional on what they
purchase.
Most of this emotional purchasing is for styling,following function.

Toyota must be giving them fits though, as Toyota sells an ever
increasing number reliable vehicles with dull styling.

 

This has been at least the 100th time that this question has been asked and
the
answer is still the same - NO!!!

No one who has posted here has EVER posted a followup saying that ANYTHING
they have posted here has been responded to by Chrysler.

Chrysler, and every other car maker, ONLY give a SHIT about what
motivates NEW CAR BUYERS to buy cars.

And so far the market has proven out that over 99.9999999999% of new
car buyers do NOT base buying decisions on anything they read in this
newsgroup.

I have said it before and I'll say it again - purchasing a new car is NEVER
a
purely financial decision for an individual - the individual can ALWAYS get
a BETTER deal from a purely financial standpoint by buying a used car.
There
are used cars out there with under 20K miles which are still under all the
new
car warranty stuff - yet are vastly cheaper because the first owner has
taken
the financial hit for the "driven off the lot depreciation"

For businesses like rental agencies it is different - but then again, their
customers
pay the depreciation (in rental fees) and those businesses also must buy
large
quantities of cars, and cannot spend any time evaulating a specific
individual
car.

For an individual, a new car purchase is mostly an EMOTIONAL buying
decision - people base their choice on non-logical reasons. That is why
Toyota can sell Priuses when it's clearly obvious to anyone that those cars
are going to be more expensive in the long run, due to maintainence costs
on esoteric components, and the demand for specialized electronic/computer/
mechanical troubleshooting skills which most mechanics do not have.

People that come to this group generally have specific, clear problems to
solve, which right away puts them out of the new car warranty period. By
then the emotional high on the new car purchase has worn off and they
are looking at the problem from a much more pragmatic and logical
standpoint. These are not new-car buyers - if they were they would sell
their malfunctioning, out-of-warranty vehicle and buy a new one!

The folks that help out here and who stay, generally have a far too
pragmatic
view of the world, and while we have lots of suggestions about how to make
cars work better, we do not have the mindset to understand how the typical
new car purchaser thinks. Thus we really can't offer anything to the
carmakers
that they don't already know.

I think it would be far more likely any official Chrysler spokesperson would
be posting in some Usenet newsgroup like

alt.spoiled.college.fratboys.who.overspend.their.credit.cards

or

alt.balding.middleaged.dads.who.get.trophy.wives.and.fast.cars

or

alt.young.marrieds.with.dual.income.who.think.they.deserve.everything.now

Those seem to be the groups most targeted by carmaker advertising
campaigns so I assume they are the dominant new car buying groups
today.

Ted

 

If there are any upper management that monitor (or get briefs) on what
is posted here, I doubt we'll ever know. I do know that other forums
(such as flyer talk web site) the upper management of some airlines do
follow what is posted there.

What is beyond question, however, is that it was Chrysler that forced
the CarTruck website off the internet because it was reporting too
much inside information about vehicle plans, introductions, concepts,
etc.

 

I have shown posts to my district rep,does that count?



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Probably not.

I worked for a company that made a product that was prominently
discussed, critiqued, recommended, and blasphemed on another group. I
often wanted to clear up misinformation, but it was and is a company
policy to never respond to any post on any type of unmoderated news
group. Keep in mind, no one who posts to these newsgroups has to
establish credibility in any manner. For a corporation to be drawn
into that quagmire, debating with the malicious troll artists, sock
puppets, as well as well intended enthusiasts, ususally will do them
little good and may do great harm.

That doesn't mean that individuals with a company do not monitor and
observe. I used to. However, I never responded representing the
company.

Frank

 

Can't afford a new car, eh Ted?

 

They stopped because of stupid questions.

Coasty

 

That depends on your point of view.

If I were to walk into a new car dealer then given my credit, debt to asset
ratio,
and income, then according to either the car dealership's credit provider or
a
bank, then yes I "can afford" a new car.

However, no, I currently do not have enough liquid funds to be able
to write a check for $30,000.00 out of my savings account.

And, neither can you, I would bet.

Ted

 

Rubbish. The Nutshell Handbook people have responded officially on
alt.terminals, I once got a couple free books by recommending them on
that group.

Cisco Systems also regularly responds to posts on the Cisco NSP mailing
list,
however they do use (and freely admit using) an alias to do so. They also
often post official security notices there, at the same time they post them
elsewhere.

The biggest reason more companies do not participate in back-and-forth
forums such as on Usenet is that in the typical larger company, the VP of
Marketing is in his or her 50's and came of age in business years before the
Internet
was any kind of force to be rekoned with. They simply do not really
understand
how to deal with it. Give it another 20 years and they will be all over the
Internet's forums.

Anyone who has grown up with these forums knows how to handle them
and not to get drawn into quagmires. The problem is the usual decision
makers have not grown up with these forums.

Ted

 

Rubbish. The Nutshell Handbook people have responded officially on
alt.terminals, I once got a couple free books by recommending them on
that group.

Cisco Systems also regularly responds to posts on the Cisco NSP mailing
list,
however they do use (and freely admit using) an alias to do so. They also
often post official security notices there, at the same time they post them
elsewhere.

The biggest reason more companies do not participate in back-and-forth
forums such as on Usenet is that in the typical larger company, the VP of
Marketing is in his or her 50's and came of age in business years before the
Internet
was any kind of force to be rekoned with. They simply do not really
understand
how to deal with it. Give it another 20 years and they will be all over the
Internet's forums.

Anyone who has grown up with these forums knows how to handle them
and not to get drawn into quagmires. The problem is the usual decision
makers have not grown up with these forums.

Ted

 

So let me see, what part is rubbish. That my (ex)company does not
participate in unmoderated news groups. They don't, but they provide
internet access to customers on a moderated basis from a company site.

That marketing managers in their fifties can't/don't understand the
internet? I'm in my late fifties, was (before retiring) a policy
maker, and agreed with the policy of avoiding unmoderated forums. And
the policy was presented by younger marketing people. Additionally, I
use the internet everyday and participate in a number of newsgroups
and fully understand the process.

And what do you mean handle them? When drawn into a debate with a
troll who might be using several sockpuppets and playing loose with
the truth, you can't win. So you have to ignore. In which case a
good portion of the population thinks that statements are true because
you haven't challenged.

And why should a company waste time doing so?

Of course you don't have to believe any of this because I am not
required to establish my credibility.

Frank

 

Thats funny! it takes an idiot to argue with a troll,what idiot
company would hire
a person for battling usenet trolls? LOL!!!!



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Companies generally will not participate in wild-west style debate in
anonymous forums because their objectives are not the same as the
customers.

Companies build things, and the reason why they build things a certain
way is to meet a wide range of objectives (financial, legal,
liability, etc).

Customers want products that keep working year after year after year,
with no maintainence, repair, etc.

Companies want products to wear out at a predictable, controlled way.
They don't want to hear anyone belly-ache about their products in
forums, and they really don't have anything to say (publically) about
problems because to them, there's supposed to be problems that result
in turn-over and new sales.

Participation in forums can lead to liability issues (we told you
about this or that problem, you responded with platitudes, but at
least you responded, so there is a paper trail about what you knew as
a corporation about this or that problem).

 

The fact is, smaller companies pay attention, whether they admit it or
not. Bigger companies don't but their lower-down people do.

To the extent Usenet changes buying habits, corporations will slowly
change as their business depends on it. But the fact is, new car sales
have nothing to do with Usenet. The automotive aftermarket, at least in
certain segments, very much does see effects as people generally find
out that Plug Wire X or Snake Oli Y does or does not work.

 

engineers pop in from time to time and i could care less about a american
company that sells out the country so the board can exucate the golden
parachute retiremant plan in place and get billions in stocks and cash such as
lutz anbd his cronies did and now hes starting over at gm
one guy in the jeep group got sued by the fucking cheap ass germans and lost
everything he owned becasue he used the word jeep

 

Extraordinary. It is winter and yet you have been touched by the heat.

DAS

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This part is what he meant was rubbish: