I told you so.

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Geldbraucht, May 15, 2007.

  1. Geldbraucht

    Geldbraucht Guest

    When Daimler Benz purchased Chrysler, I said that I would not believe
    it until I saw a Penastar on a Benz.

    I was right!

    This "merger" between the 2 companies made no reason to be except one.
    Greed.

    The greed of Chrysler's management and shareholders who wanted to get
    in on the stock market boom of the 1990's

    As, for Daimler Benz's reason for buying Chrysler?

    Too much beer during the negotiations?

    No matter what the reason however, the Germans took Chrysler and drove
    it over a brick wall. First by not shearing technology, then by
    letting Chrysler have MB's old technology while they kept the new
    stuff for them self.

    Finally, like most American and European companies, when the problems
    got bad, they bailed.

    If an Asian company controlled Chrysler, they would look upon
    Chrysler's current problems and see them as a part of the normal
    fluctuations in the automotive industries.

    In addition, there is another factor in Daimler Benz (I assume that
    they will return to their old name - a boom at lease for printer and
    sign painters!) decision to rid themselves of Chrysler.

    In the fatherland, Chrysler was looked upon in the same light as the
    American GI who married into some aristocratic German family. In other
    words, not good enough for their daughter (Mercedes), and now relieved
    that a divorce is pending.
     
    Geldbraucht, May 15, 2007
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    DeserTBoB Guest

    It was Robert Eaton leading the charge...Iacocca's "biggest mistake of
    my life."
    I think they saw the US as a failing industrial country (true), and
    the Japs were in line to take over the whole US auto market, so they
    thought they'd get their slice of the pie before the Chinese got in
    there. It's typical German arrogance, much like the typical Japanese
    arrogance that cause them to tank their own economy. Note that both
    these small but arrogant nations lost a major war against the
    US...then. They had the bravada...we had the factories and workers.
    We don't have 'em anymore, that's for sure.
    Not the problem. ALL of Benz's "technology" is overengineered by
    manic kraut engineers whose whole raison d'être is to engineer the
    crap out of things á la GM's Frigidaire Division in the late '50s
    through the '70s. DC doomed post-merger products with overcomplicated
    systems prone to failure that only the Germans could love, similar to
    what's wrong with all of VW/Audi's product line. Americans are too
    stupid and lazy to maintain their vehicles well, and thus it was a
    recipe for reliability disaster. Per CU, ALL new Ford product
    platforms are now more reliable than anything from DC.
    Good allegory. Also, well-off Germans think nothing of spending
    thousands on car repair and maintenance, whereas US counterparts retch
    at the thought of an oil change and are too ham fisted to do the job
    themselves. Chrysler's engineering maxim of "KISS" served them well
    with the hoary K-car chassis...not a great design and one with much
    cheapness, but one which would keep running under tons of deferred
    maintenance and abuse until the thing would finally die. All that
    went away under DC. I saw how bad things got with DC reliability, and
    now couldn't be given a DC product.

    It's over. With idiots like Quayle and liars like Snow heading up
    Cerberus (the three headed dog who guards the gates of Hell in Greek
    mythology, for those with not-so-good educations), it's a "strip 'n
    flip" operation designed to make the principals of that outfit
    richer...NOT to build better cars or develop new technology.

    Iacocca's got it right in his new book: "Can't anyone around here run
    a car company?"
     
    DeserTBoB, May 16, 2007
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    Lloyd Guest

    Felt they needed a mainstream maker. BMW tried that too, with Rover,
    and ended up giving Rover away to a private group for a pound or two.
    Porsche seems to be trying that now by buying up VW stock.

    But look at the reverse too. Ford's purchase of Aston-Martin, Volvo,
    and Jaguar -- all losing money. GM's purchase of Saab -- losing
    money. Ford has now sold off most of A-M, and GM has sold off Subaru
    and most of Isuzu.
    No luxury-brand is going to put its current technology in brands
    costing half as much. Even Toyota has many features exclusive to
    Lexus.
    Perhaps, but that's because Asian investors tend to look at the long
    haul, whereas American ones look at just the next quarter. Toyota,
    for example, pays very low dividends, but investors have pushed its
    stock value up to where it's worth far more than GM.
    Like of like Rover vis-a-vis BMW, as I mentioned.
     
    Lloyd, May 22, 2007
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    Some O Guest

    As DC said they bought Chrysler to get higher parts volume to lower
    costs. That worked somewhat but also failed somewhat.
    DC also said they were going to lift Chrysler prices to produce more
    profit. That worked somewhat but also failed somewhat.

    Unfortunately DC lost many of Chryslers mid sized LH buyers, the 300
    didn't interest many of them. Here in Vancouver, BC a long term Chrysler
    sold his Chrysler dealership because of the LH buyers leaving and low
    300 sales. He kept his Toyota dealership.
    The 300 has sold poorly on the west coast from Oregon to BC.
     
    Some O, May 23, 2007
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    Steve Guest

    The main stated reasons at the time were an allegedly complimentary
    product fit, and access to the state of the art Auburn Hills design
    facility. At the time of the merger, Mercedes Benz had one of the
    slowest, most behind-the-curve, antiquated design-to-production cycles
    of any major car manufacturer on the planet, and it was seriously
    hurting their ability to compete with companies that had already
    invested heavily in high-tech engineering design facilities.
     
    Steve, May 24, 2007
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