I am astonished...

Every once in a while I come to this NG to find information on a particular
Chrysler product, and without fail there are at least 5 or 6 "diss" fights
going on here. I am amazed that the good people in this group actually
still allow this to go on.

It saddens me that someone new would come along actually needing information
or advice and they have to wade through the tirades to get what they want.

Well, I am for free speech and all, but there are proper venues out there to
trash each other on. The sad thing is that I would probably get flamed for
sticking up for the group, but I don't care, because I am better than that.
Any response to the contrary would only prove my point.

 

Try allpar.com...no trolls, good stuff.

 

Um, I stand corrected...

There are not just 5 or 6, but mostly the same two people in many, many
different headers going after each other. Each of them have their own
followers, who then flame each other.
And to think that people actually pay HBO and the like to see this stuff,
when we can get it for free here on USENET. Popcorn, anyone?

 

I know. I am a frequent flyer there. But every once in a while I need some
good advice from some of the old pros here in this NG. I just get tired of
having to wade through the BS mudslinging puddles to get the proper help.

 

Good perception of the problem. Don't blame me...I just came in here
with a 318 with a failed lip seal in its water pump. The troll,
Charlie Nudo of Drums, PA, stalked me in here from another NG he
destroyed and started stirring the shit. Then, the usual action from
which trolls like Nudo get their jollies, the "division of the house,"
started.

One thing trolls like Nudo thrive on is general ignorance of how
Usenet works. People see several different IDs (he had over 14
accounts with almost a hundred different pseudonyms until Google got
wise and started kicking his ass) and think it's several different
people...it's not. It's one troll with many fake faces. That's
called "sock puppeteering" in Usenet parlance, and is usually a sign
of serious mental problems. He can cause enough damage from Google
Groups as it is. Just be thankful he's too incapacitated to figure
out how to work a powerful newsreader client.

There are some good sources of info in here, especially on the later
DC stuff, so I wouldn't give up. For example, look at what Fokker has
done with a flooded out LH just from info gleened in here...a totally
resurrected car that the insurance companies would've simply junked.
This is Usenet, and since Google allowed "WebTVers" like Nudo access
to Usenet, the troll problem has gotten worse. That's what your kill
filer is there for. I would, however, kill file
and immediately,
and kill file other irritants as they pop up. Google Groups has
allowed the troll two remaining accounts, so he's easy enough to
manage now. Just be glad you didn't have to deal with 14 of his "sock
puppets" like I did!

For a more illuminating history on Charlie Nudo the Troll, see:

http://groups.google.com/groups/sea...coring=d&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&num=30&as_drrb=q&

....almost 17,000...yes, that's right...17,000 posts (and he already
deleted hundreds of them after getting into trouble with eBay and
Google) and counting. Psych students and practicioners can have a
field day reading this stuff!

 

The 2 are married and havent grown up yet..

Glenn Beasley
Chrysler Tech

 

I agree with you 1000%. The one that has replied to your original post
several times posts under several aliases (has conversations with
himself as if he's two people discussing something, usually to reinforce
his anti-social venom) and is a particularly nasty sort - don't be
fooled by his b.s. I guess this is the downside and risk of an
unmoderated forum.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

 

It was a fine group, until "desertbob" and "bicycle" came along...

they then created about 10 fake usernames each, and have been bashing
American made cars here, for the last few weeks

on a Chrysler group...

go figure...

 

The "dissing" is just one guy with a bunch of sock-puppets talking to
himself. Or maybe there really are a couple of them, each with several
pseudonyms- I really don't know or care.

Its happened before, this too shall pass when she/he/it gets bored.

Nothing the rest of us can really DO about it, other than sift through
and try to help people that genuinely need it (and hope others do the
same when we post questions).

 

This is the troll. If you look back at the history in this group
since August, you can see the chronology. I came in, started a thread
about an overheating problem, all was fine. Then, Charlie Nudo
stalked me in here and all hell broke loose. Another nutjob by the
name of Putney started chiming in with Nudo, and you have the current
situation.

 

You can't hide history. I, along with many others, have been offering
genuine help to people here for years. The same can't be said of the
new arrival (DB) either in longevity or on offering any genuine help
whatsoever to others. He baits people just so he can get nasty. The
record speaks for itself. Like Steve said, there's really not much to
be done about it other than let it pass.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

 

A quick check shows roughly 350 posts by DB since 8/15 when he first
showed up. Roughly 8 posts per day, and with 5 or 6 days with anywhere
from 17 to 30 worthless, intentionally disruptive, and nasty posts each
of those days. Out of the approximately 350 total posts, there may be
less than what you can count on one hand of any attempt at helping
anyone. The rest - more than 98% - are nothing but personal stories
unrelated to Chrylser vehicles in any way, baiting with loaded political
comments having nothing to do with the topic, and using any excuse to be
just plain nasty. That by anyone's definition is a troll.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with the letter 'x')

 

Also a severely disturbed, and very sad, loser.

 

You, certainly, must be speaking of Charlie Nudo and yes, he is a
disturbed loser.

 

OUCH!!! even I felt that. I hope my kids never kick their ball into your
back yard Bill!! LOL

 

Never let your kids near trolls...especially ones who don't know fact
from fantasy, as seems to be the case with Mr. Putney.

 

Which part do you disagree with?

 

Well, nobody can control it. We've gotten a new troll who has two or more
"stalkers" (i'm sure the same person) who post in everything thread calling
the troll a troll. How do you stop a thing like that?

 

well said

 

actually, the record shows they were referring to YOU, DeserTBob