Hybrid car sales go from 60 to 0 at breakneck speed

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by MoPar Man, Mar 17, 2009.

  1. MoPar Man

    MoPar Man Guest

    The few times I've been in a NYC cab crossing the various toll bridges,
    I've wondered why the cab I was in was stuck in a cash lane and didn't
    have a smart-pass reader.
     
    MoPar Man, Mar 24, 2009
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  2. Am not sure what you mean by "scam". Personally I have my doubts about
    using CO2, but if you are going to levy a road useage tax and wish to
    influence certain behaviour, then that is a way to do it, isn't it?

    I liked the old way of a fairly low single sum for all vehicles...

    DAS

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    Dori A Schmetterling, Mar 24, 2009
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  3. MoPar Man

    Bill Putney Guest

    Cap and trade. Basing vehicle taxes on CO2 is just to train the masses
    into thinking of CO2 as the new currency. *That's* the scam part.

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    Bill Putney
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    address with the letter 'x')

     
    Bill Putney, Mar 24, 2009
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  4. The old way was simple, but it never seemed fair. A tax (registration
    fee, if you prefer) based on vehicle weight or on engine size always
    seemed preferable. And what about the old system under which 3-wheel
    vehicles (even those with comparatively large engines) were taxed as
    motorcycles? That never made any sense to me either.

    Perce
     
    Percival P. Cassidy, Mar 24, 2009
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  5. Don't disagree.

    As regards 3-wheelers, how many of those were around?

    So the simplicity outweighed a bit of unfairness.

    DAS


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    Dori A Schmetterling, Mar 24, 2009
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  6. I can't tell you how many 3-wheelers there were altogether, but I do
    recall seeing many Messerschmidt (sp?) 3-wheel "bubble cars"; also some
    fibreglass-bodied 3-wheelers, which I think might have been called
    "Reliant" or "Regal." This was during the 1950s and early 1960s.

    Perce
     
    Percival P. Cassidy, Mar 25, 2009
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  7. MoPar Man

    Josh S Guest

    I agree, The UK sticks to small engines to avoid higher taxes.
    Probably in Europe as well, but I'm not familiar with Europe's taxation.

    In Canada a relative has a 2001 Volvo turbo and my wife has a 2001
    Sebring 2.7L V6. These cars are about the same size, but the Volvo is
    about 60% more in price.
    The Volvo is slightly more powerful, but the Sebring is no slouch,
    having more power at 200 hp than we use. Their handling is similar.
    These cars get almost identical fuel mileage, both highway and city, but
    the Volvo requires higher octane fuel which costs about 12% more here.
    So the Volvo with all it's technology to get more power our of a
    slightly smaller engine than the Sebring, cost more to fuel.

    As for driver and passenger comfort the Sebring is quite a bit better
    than the Volvo, particularly for adults in the rear.

    Another example I have is a Focus wagon we rented in the UK, which had
    a 1.6L engine, but only got about 10% more mileage than the 2.7L Sebring.
    There was no comparison in passenger driver comfort, available power,
    and handling; the Sebring being far superior in all respects.
     
    Josh S, Mar 26, 2009
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  8. You seem to be missing a point. The turbochargers are mostly on diesel
    engines, and they make a world of difference to the performance, as I
    mentioned in an earlier post. I don't think the UK -- traditionally
    diesel-unfriendly -- would have so many diesel cars now without turbo.

    Excellent for lorries because it means you don't need long snouts at the
    front.

    DAS


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    Dori A Schmetterling, Mar 26, 2009
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    who Guest

    What made even less sense ti me was those UK 3 wheeled vehicles had the
    single wheel on the front. (Reliant?)
    They sure tipped when cornering a lot.
     
    who, Mar 29, 2009
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  10. MoPar Man

    who Guest

    I frequently saw the Reliant in SW UK in the mid 80s.
    A relic from the past, which shouldn't have been allowed on the road.
     
    who, Mar 29, 2009
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  11. MoPar Man

    Josh S Guest

    I'm not missing the point for NA. I was referring to NA.
    Here turbos are mostly on smaller gas engined European cars.
    We don't have many diesels- yet.
     
    Josh S, Mar 29, 2009
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