Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Dianelos Georgoudis, Oct 17, 2003.

  1. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    Oh great, he wants me to absorb his right-wing propaganda.

    Try this:

    http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/clamen/misc/politics/HealthCare/Co
    nsumerReports-Sep92.html.gz#Does%20Canada%20Have%20The%20Answer?
     
    Lloyd Parker, Dec 3, 2003
  2. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    Nobody presented any "facts" there, just Suzuki's propaganda. Perhaps the
    problem with you right-wing Taliban is you don't know what a "fact" is.
     
    Lloyd Parker, Dec 3, 2003
  3. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    It's called living in a society. Society has the right to compel you to pay
    taxes, and it's the height of idiocy to call it stealing or theft. If you
    don't want to live in a society, you can leave. Nobody's keeping you here.
     
    Lloyd Parker, Dec 3, 2003
  4. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    Sodomy laws. Liberals didn't pass them.
    Why does a government decide who can get married though?

    Actually, you want to force a woman to have the baby and then refuse to pay
    for any expense of raising the child.
     
    Lloyd Parker, Dec 3, 2003
  5. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    If you're rich.
     
    Lloyd Parker, Dec 3, 2003
  6. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    Heck, you could refer me to Osama bin Laden himself; doesn't make you right.
    Look at the numbers.
     
    Lloyd Parker, Dec 3, 2003
  7. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    Sodomy laws?
     
    Lloyd Parker, Dec 3, 2003
  8. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    No hospital is required to do anything but stablize an emergency patient.
    Some may choose to do other things, or, as our local hospital does, get a
    county subsidy to treat indigent patients.
     
    Lloyd Parker, Dec 3, 2003
  9. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

     
    Lloyd Parker, Dec 3, 2003
  10. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    Most people aren't in such a program.
     
    Lloyd Parker, Dec 3, 2003
  11. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    But why should government institutionalize discrimination? OK, no religion
    should be required to perform or recognize a marriage not in keeping with its
    creed (doesn't the catholic church not recognize marriages by divorced
    people?), but why should government discriminate?
     
    Lloyd Parker, Dec 3, 2003
  12. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    Lots of doctors won't accept certain HMOs either, because of low payments or
    endless delays. Here in GA, a number recently have dropped Aetna, for
    example.
     
    Lloyd Parker, Dec 3, 2003
  13. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    Why wouldn't the most intimate relationships between people be a right
    reserved to the people themselves (9th amendment)? Surely if there are any
    "inherent" or "God-given" rights, it would be those that have to do with
    intimate relationships and behaviors. Aren't you arguing the 9th amendment is
    meaningless, that any rights not enumerated are reserved just to the states?
     
    Lloyd Parker, Dec 3, 2003
  14. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    But we know that the warming TODAY is due to CO2. It doesn't matter that
    warmings in the past may have had other causes. That's like arguing that
    since exercise raised your body temp. yesterday, a virus cannot be the cause
    of your fever today.
     
    Lloyd Parker, Dec 3, 2003
  15. Dianelos Georgoudis

    OrygunGuy Guest

    A technical paper that appeared in July, 2003 in GSA Today, a journal of the
    Geological Society of America, gave evidence that the periodic cooling and
    warming of the planet over the past millions of years is cyclical and is
    caused by a complex interplay between solar activity and cosmic rays. It
    concluded that carbon dioxide emissions are not the main "driver" of climate
    change.

    Dr. Nir Shaviv, an astrophysicist from the Racah Institute of Physics of the
    Hebrew University of Jerusalem, and Prof. Jan Veiser a geochemist at the
    University of Ottawa in Canada, say that temperature variations are due more
    to cosmic forces than to the actions of man.

    In the article, Shaviv and Veiser tell of their studies illustrating a
    correlation between past cosmic ray flux - the high-energy particles
    reaching us from stellar explosions - and long-term climate variability, as
    recorded by oxygen isotopes trapped in rocks formed by ancient marine
    fossils. The level of cosmic ray activity reaching the earth and its
    atmosphere was reconstructed using another isotopic record in meteorites.

    The study showed that peak periods of cosmic rays reaching the earth over
    the past 550 million years coincided with lower global temperatures,
    apparently due to the way that the cosmic rays promote low-level cloud
    formation, hence blocking out the sun. No correlation was obtained,
    however, with the changing amount of atmospheric carbon dioxide.

    The conclusion of the two scientists is that celestial processes seem to be
    the dominant influence on climate change, and that increased carbon dioxide
    release, while certainly not beneficial, is only secondary to those forces
    which are beyond our control.

    For me I think I'll do what I see Frank say all of the time...


    yeah see if you can find out some thing about the trails


    Frank. Sling some mud for me!!!!!!!
    Braille trail 4 wheelers
    we wheel by feel
    79 chev 3/4 bb
     
    OrygunGuy, Dec 3, 2003
  16. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

     
    Lloyd Parker, Dec 3, 2003
  17. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    Didn't "separate but equal" get discredited in the 1950s?
     
    Lloyd Parker, Dec 3, 2003
  18. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    Which states kept them until just recently, and fought for them in the
    courts? Texas, Georgia, conservative states. Which USSC justices wanted to
    uphold them? Thomas, Scalia, the conservative justices.
     
    Lloyd Parker, Dec 3, 2003
  19. Dianelos Georgoudis

    C. E. White Guest

    I don't think this is true, unless you are constructing "lose money" to mean
    they don't make as much as they could by treating other patients. I have two
    older parents, and they don't seem to have any trouble finding doctors willing
    to treat them. On the other hand all the paperwork generated is a nightmare. The
    last time I had to take my Mother to the emergency room I was thoroughly
    disgusted by the whole situation. My Mother needed assistance and it was all I
    could do to pry a nurse away from paperwork to get her to help. There were
    actually three nurses filling out and sorting papers and only one attending to
    patients at the time. And the ridiculous charges on the bill were enough to turn
    my stomach. I don't know about Doctors, but I am pretty sure the hospitals know
    how to work the medicare system to extort as much money as possible from the
    government.

    Ed
     
    C. E. White, Dec 3, 2003
  20. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Bill Funk Guest

    To be fair, Lloyd can get something right once in a while.
    The quoted line above ("Need dialysis? No hospital is required to do
    that for free, for example.") is right.
    In your response, you show that the government pays for it, in many
    cases. In such cases, the dialysis is not provided for free by the
    hospital.
    If a person shows up and asks for dialysis for free, with no method of
    payment, the hospital is not required to provide it, unless it's an
    emergency. In such an emergency, the hospital is required to do only
    thiose procedures that will stabilize the person, and that's it.
     
    Bill Funk, Dec 3, 2003
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