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Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Dianelos Georgoudis, Oct 17, 2003.

  1. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Bill Putney Guest

    Well, yeah - the word "marriage" has a meaning. But of course you want
    to re-define it. Why not redefine "murder" as meaning "whitewashing a
    fence", or "talking" as "combing your hair" - that would make just as
    much sense.
    When I and others are forced to pay for the consequences, yes. Don't
    make me and others pay for the consequences for her behavior, and I'll
    quit telling her what she can and can't do that I and others will have
    to pay for later.

    Bill Putney
    (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    address with "x")
     
    Bill Putney, Dec 3, 2003
  2. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Bill Putney Guest

    True. I personally witnessed this while actively spending over a year
    on an internet forum strictly for parents of a certain childhood form of
    cancer. There were people from all over the world on there, but
    particularly the U.S., Canada, and Britain. The gross malpractice that
    we witnessed on children in Canada due to its metered out healthcare was
    atrocious. The U.S. was the mecca of successful treatment.

    Bill Putney
    (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    address with "x")
     
    Bill Putney, Dec 3, 2003
  3. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Bill Putney Guest

    I can refer you to the parents of childhood cancer victims that would
    disagree with you.

    Bill Putney
    (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    address with "x")
     
    Bill Putney, Dec 3, 2003
  4. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Bill Putney Guest

    Oh? And where would that be stated. As the cliché says: "Chapter and
    verse, please."

    Bill Putney
    (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    address with "x")
     
    Bill Putney, Dec 3, 2003
  5. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Greg Guest

    Since when to conservatives as an aggregate tell people what kind of sex to
    have??? You're posting from an alternate reality again.
     
    Greg, Dec 3, 2003
  6. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Greg Guest

    Absolutely False! Hospitals in the US do this every single day. Why don't you
    volunteer at your local hospital. You will certainly learn something.
     
    Greg, Dec 3, 2003
  7. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Greg Guest

    In your alternate reality, not in the actual US statue. Routine maintenance and
    part upgrades are specifically permitted under the new source review. This was
    done for good reason, otherwise it would be bad policy that creates perverse
    incentives to remain most polluting status quo.
    You mean the Clinton EPA filed, the same EPA file that destroyed its records in
    its last day, despite specific US District Court orders not to. Yep, the Clinton
    EPA was sure proud of its record.
    The only sources that appears to have credibility with you is the Sierra Club and
    Consumer Reports. Furthermore your slam against WSJ is false and you cannot
    substantiate it.
    Many non companies (inclding American Depostitary Receipt) are LISTED on the New
    York Stock Exchange and trade like any other stock, contrary to your phony claim
    that only DCX is listed on NYSE. Global Shares are no less listed on the NYSE
    than ADPs.

    I notice that you have nothing to say to that. By the way, your computer's clock
    is wrong too.
     
    Greg, Dec 3, 2003
  8. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Brent P Guest

    Government health care programs already cover dialysis. In fact the price
    (LOW) the government pays is a if not the driving factor in care in this
    area. The government payment scheme for 3-times-a-week dialysis is
    a major obstacle to improving the quality of care, the quality of
    people's lives, and their surviviability.

    I am really glad you made a point of dialysis parker, because it is one
    treatment that is required to keep people with renal failure alive but one
    where government price controls dominate what people get with regards
    to care. It is a great example of the arrogant way government does things
    that has a negative effect on people. Want better care than 3 times a
    week? Government says you can't have it, they'll only pay for that. If
    you want something better, you better pay for it yourself or hope it can
    work within the government 3-times-a-week cost model. You've stuck your
    foot in your mouth once again Parker.
     
    Brent P, Dec 3, 2003
  9. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Joe Guest

    Fair enough. better than most arguments in this thread.
     
    Joe, Dec 3, 2003
  10. Dianelos Georgoudis

    C. E. White Guest

    It is not just conservatives who oppose the redefinition of "marriage."
    Any reasonable person should oppose this sort of reckless redefinition
    of a long established legal / social / religious institution. If same
    sex couples want to form a long term commitment to each other, I think
    that is fine. If they feel they need a governmental sanction to this
    commitment, then pass a law that creates a new class of civil union. But
    trying to call this a "marriage" is an insult to millions of American
    and serves no useful purpose.

    Ed
     
    C. E. White, Dec 3, 2003
  11. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Jerry McG Guest

    Oh, sure it does, Ed, if recognized as "marriage" they then get huge tax
    and benefits advantages, all of which are denied singles.
     
    Jerry McG, Dec 3, 2003
  12. Doctors who accept Medicare patients lose money. Many doctors won't accept
    Medicare patients for that reason. Those that do accept them do it because
    they feel an obligation. Medicare is also headed for bankruptcy unless
    drastic action is taken. Reduced coverage, reduced reimbursement to
    doctors, increased Medicare tax withholding.
     
    David J. Allen, Dec 3, 2003
  13. This one again? Ok, I'll repeat myself. Conservatives believe some rights
    are reserved to states and individuals to decide how they want to govern
    themselves. That includes the rights of states and communities, through
    their legislatures, to rule on sexual behaviors, abortion, and marriage.
    It's the Dems who want to nationalize these things and force all communities
    nationwide to accept their new age definitions of morality and religion.

    The conservative position has never been to nationalize any of these issues,
    but to allow local jurisdictions to choose for themselves. The only time
    conservatives do want to nationalize such issues is when the Libs find a
    liberal federal judge to overturn local law based and make it a national
    issue, i.e., unlimited federal government.

    Why can't you see the conservative vs. liberal debate as one based on role
    of federal government instead of merely accusing conservatives of being
    "rascist", "homophobe", "sexist", "bigoted". All those labels are debate
    enders. The issue of the role of government is a legitimate thing to debate
    with honorable arguments on both sides. Yet people like you never engage in
    it. You resort to this name calling instead.
     
    David J. Allen, Dec 3, 2003
  14. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    But if you replace the carb, then the pistons, then the exhaust, you've got
    enough of a new engine that you ought to not still have the exemption that old
    engines get from emissions standards.
     
    Lloyd Parker, Dec 3, 2003
  15. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    Because the Clean Air Act only exempts _maintenance_ not _modifications_.
     
    Lloyd Parker, Dec 3, 2003
  16. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    Because all the examples we have of state-run health care say it would.
    Economy of scale, negotiation for lower prices, preventative care instead of
    waiting until the person becomes sick -- all these and other factors.
     
    Lloyd Parker, Dec 3, 2003
  17. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

     
    Lloyd Parker, Dec 3, 2003
  18. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    Like asking why people travel to Mexico for Christmas trees. It simply does
    not happen.

    Read, for example,
    http://www.worldpolicy.org/globalrights/econrights/canada-health.html

    or

    http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/clamen/misc/politics/HealthCare/Co
    nsumerReports-Sep92.html.gz#Does%20Canada%20Have%20The%20Answer?
     
    Lloyd Parker, Dec 3, 2003
  19. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    You must be, if you think we believe these lies.
     
    Lloyd Parker, Dec 3, 2003
  20. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    Lloyd Parker, Dec 3, 2003
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