Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers

I thought you said there was no size advantage. At least you're
consistent in your inconsistencies.

 

And yet 20,000 pound 18 wheelers do it every day. Isn't that odd. Must
be the extra wheels. Or maybe it's the amphetamines.

Then your name might be Marc and you should stay the hell out of an SUV.

 

I agree that for this particular situation, a car is much better than a
truck or SUV. But I don't buy any vehicle, even a car, for only one
situation such as this. I buy a vehicle that meets my needs in a wide
range of situations and, for me, a pickup is the only vehicle that meets
my needs. I drive a good part of the year with a snow-plow on my truck.
This degrades the handling substantially, but it is necessary for me.
I drive accordingly and don't try to run slaloms at 65 MPH or drive
fast in urban areas where the need for an evasive maneuver is greater.

At the same speed, a pickup won't make an evasive maneuver as well as a
car. However, there is a speed where the pickup WILL perform as well as
the car does at a higher speed. If I drive the city streets at 30 in my
truck and some bozo who thinks his BMW can handle anthing drives the
same street at 45, chances are I'll be in much better shape to evade an
errant soccer ball chased by an 8 year-old. That is my point about
driving according to the capabilities and characteristics of your vehicle.

People who drive their Expedition like they drive their BMW are idiots
pure and simple.


Matt

 

Tell me Marc, which do you think handles better, a 2003 SUV or a 15 year
old shitbox car with bald tires? Which do you think there are more of
on the road today? Think hard.

 

Fortunately the majority of these mythical sudden accident avoidance
maneuvers are only performed by Consumer Reports stunt men and Nissan's
ad agency. Go out into a parking lot with a front wheel drive car and
try to J-turn it without using the parking break. Unless you are a stunt
driver with 5 years of training I bet you can't even get the wheels 10
feet off line before they start to understeer horribly like all front
wheel drive cars do.

 

Because you say so? Who is this guy who keeps crashing small SUVs
anyway? Did you go on a bunch of test drives last weekend?

 

Because in the world according to Marc, there were not 400,000
collisions involving large commercial trucks last year in the USA. I
guess if you drive a KIA you stand a 50/50 chance of passing under the
oncoming semi.

 

Speaking of point, was there one in that post?

 

CAFE is the oil industry's bitch, working hard to make you think the
government is taking car of you.

 

And don't get anything decent that runs on diesel.

 

But good where it counts ... injuries expected. I don't care if the
truck looks good after the accident or if the passenger space is less
after the crash, as long as I don't get hurt. My truck rates the same
as your car in all four injury metrics. The passenger space may be
smaller in the truck than before the crash, but since it is so much
larger than the car's space to start with, it could get reduced by 20%
and still be as big as your car.

And your dummy hit its head on the B pillar. Even though in this case the
acceleration forces from that impact are said to be neglible, it could
be much
different in the next similar crash.


Matt

 

Haha you boys sure you live in quite a world not based on physics. did
the last SUV you drive have a 18 ft steel mast on the roof or something?

 

SUVs get 8mpg. Ya that's a good generalization. Keep'em coming.

 

Who is deceiving them? I don't recall seeing many ads claiming that
SUVs are safer than cars.


Matt

 

A good roll cage doesn't need the vehicle's structure.

 

So tells us oh great one, what car do you drive that can out climb, out
tow, has greater cargo capacity and can handle deeper snow than whatever
truck any of us is driving.

 

Most 18 wheelers weigh 20,000 lbs, empty...

Matt

 

The pollution requirements are gram per mile. Honda civic or Ford crown
victoria, they have to meet the same standard. The only people who die
from CO2 are in a sealed room and don't have to worry about the cars
going down the road.

 

No. We get them because their manufacturers (at least BMW) choose to ignore
CAFE and pass the tax on to the buyers.

 

I'll tell you who is wrong in their specifics. Am I the only one to
read the report that is being MIS-quoted?

Driver Fatalities per Billion Vehicle Miles
Very small 4-door cars 11.56
Small 4-door cars 7.85
Mid-size 4-door cars 5.26
Large 4-door cars 3.30
Compact pickup trucks 6.82
Large (100-series) pickup trucks 4.07
Small 4-door SUVs 5.68
Mid-size 4-door SUVs 6.73
Large 4-door SUVs 6.79
Minivans 2.76

The Four vehicle groups with the lowest fatality rates for their own
drivers were minivans (2.76), large cars (3.30), large SUVs (3.79), and
large (100-series) pickup trucks (4.07).

Look who's on top.