Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers

Effective tax rate on the middle class is around 25%,

property.

Unless you live in the Empire of Pataki, New York

 

What is a liberal these daze ?

 

I tried to not to answer these grossly off-topic discussions, but I
couldn't resist <sigh> making just one point. What with the hoopla about
global warming several years back when the Kyoto accords were being
pushed (by nations that hadn't signed them, oddly), I wanted to see just
how bad things were. We have a US weather station in Williamsport that
has continuously recorded data for over 100 years, so I thought I'd
download that for study. Of course, there's a lot of fluctuation, but if
you plot a linear trend line to the data for the last 103 years you find
the average annual temperature here has dropped by about 0.5F, not
increased. Hmmm...where is the warming data? Is that only being
collected in large, growing cities and not rural areas? Secondly, I
plotted a 5 year moving average just to see what might show up and there
is a remarkable cycle that appears, lasting about 11 years or so. Just
the same as the solar cyles for sunspots. Curious. Maybe we're just
different from the rest of the world out here in the country, but
hmmm....

=Vic=
Bear Gap, PA

 

What an idiotic statement.

First, is global warming real?

Second, what is the cause?

You have yet to prove the first, yet are already assuming that number
2 is the United States.

 

Yes you are an idiot.

The middle class pays federal rates higher than 25%, plus another 15%
or so in SS (if the employer didn't pay it, we would receive it in
wages), state taxes as high as 5% and more, gas taxes, sales taxes,
phone taxes, property taxes, and on and on and on.

My family is in the lower middle class, in the heartland, and we pay
considerably more than 50% of our income in taxes.

 

Your logic is flawed. The US has the TIGHTEST standards on emissions
in the world. WE PRODUCE the most product. It has ZERO to do with
population.

Even if we did restrict things further, all that would happen is
production would shift to countries with lower standards - resulting
in, can we say it all together now - MORE POLLUTION.

 

This is such a weak minded argument.

Population has nothing to do with production.

We have 80% of the production causing less than 20% of the pollution.
Nobody cares what the population is, when we export so much to third
world countries where the population is.

How about this for a solution? The US stops selling food worldwide.
Pollution disappears as huge numbers of people die. Problem solved.

 

Thanks for admitting I am right. Since the Earth is cooling, adding
CO2 will result in a slowing of the rate of change.

 

Your logic is amazingly lacking. There is no correlation between
production and population.

 

And, as usual, you'd be 180% wrong. Besides - I don't believe in
reincarnation. 8^)

Bill Putney
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address with "x")

 

Hear, hear! Or is it "here, here!"? In either case, right on, dude!

Bill Putney
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address with "x")

 

Yep. Just like one of LP's favorite groups, the American Psychological
Association. They published a peer-reviewed paper written by some guys
(I spelled it right) from Temple Univ. When the paper started being
cited by pro-pedophile groups and funding for APA activities got
threatened, the APA officially denounced the paper. It had been peer
reviewed, so how could that be?

Bill Putney
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address with "x")

 

Nah. I'd allow the forest to be maintained properly near populated
areas so that it didn't wipe out whole residential sections like it did
in California. That would be a non-sequitur except (aside from the
damage to the environment caused by the fire, release of CO2, etc.) that
there are analogies to the CO2 issue as well, IOW - *K*eep *I*t *S*imple
*S*am.

Bill Putney
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address with "x")

 

There are ways to analyse temperature variations through the past, by
looking at ice core samples, and tree rings, and fossil evidence.
Having said that, accurate temperature readings have been around since
the mid 1800's, and there's a strong trend showing:

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/observe/surftemp/


Cheers,
Steve

 

No, it's just pointing out that developed countries make more of a
mess than undeveloped countries. And that we have a responsibility as
global citizens to look at the mess we're making, and do our best to
reduce it. That's all.

I would have thought it was places like some Scandinavian countries
and Germany that have led the way in cleaning up industry emissions.
California probably leads the way in cleaning up auto emissions, I'd
guess.

If you want to maintain your strong economy, it makes sense, too.
There is a strong correlation between fresh water supplies and
strength of the economy, worldwide.

Well, totally replace? Yeah, you're right. We can, however, use the
oil we have more efficiently, and use alternative sources where
possible.

Yeah, yeah, yeah...
At the risk of going off on a BIG tangent, keep in mind it was a US
foreign policy (concentrated on stamping out Communism) that lost
sight of the long term picture, putting Islamic extremists into the
positions of power that they now have. If you're looking for
solutions to the Islamic extremist problem, look to the sources of the
troubles first. Still, this is getting so far OT, that I probably
won't respond further to that particular issue here. Feel free to
email me if you want a little donnybrook over that one!

Cheers,
Steve

 

Danish solar scientists Friz-Christensen & Lassen developed a perfect
correlation between solar activity and earth temps going back hundreds of
years. Their conclusion? Solar factors are by far the greatest factor in
earth temps, and the warming trend noted since the early 80's perfectly
parallels an increase in solar activity. Conversely, the cooling period that
preceded it paralleled a similar low point in solar activity.

Unfortunately the Socialist green elitists have tried to quash publication
of these and other similar findings because it debunks their social
revisionist agenda. The Discovery Science channel did an entire program on
this subject, fascinating.

 

Effective tax rate on the middle class is around 25%,
including federal and state income, sales, gas, social security, and
property. <

That's the biggest load of crap I've ever read! The middle income tax rate
on federal alone is nearly 25%, to which you can add 3% social security,
12.8% FICA, whatever the state charges, which can be as high as 9%, and 3-8%
municipal tax for those in major metro areas.

This is PRECISELY the kind of lies, outright lies, told by Democrats and
their Socialist fellow travellers to mask income confiscation from the
middle class.

 

And the majority of voting shares are controlled by the financial elite.

Marc
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I live in a state that has no income or sales taxes and pays over $1000 per
year back to residents.

But then, I live in the least populous state.

Marc
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