Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers

Well, whatever Lloyd. I asked for your opinion in good faith on a perfectly
interesting theory and you just don't respond.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

: In article <eCbob.146$>,
: >Looks like Lloyd replied to every other post except this one. I guess
that
: >when he shouts "Learn some science", our educator didn't mean from
himself.
: >Interesting how he is vocal in criticizing other opinions as long as they
: >don't come from other scientists, and equally has no intention in backing
up
: >what he believes himself.
:
: Yes, I criticize dithering that doesn't come from science. Consider
yourself
: so criticized.
:
: >
: >Dave Milne, Scotland
: >'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: >: >: Lloyd, what's your opinion on the sunspot theory ? This has been a long
: >and
: >: boring thread, but if you can give us an intelligent critique on it, I
for
: >: one would be genuinely interested.
: >:
: >: Dave Milne, Scotland
: >: '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >:
: >: : >: : And now another theory as to possible causation for global warming:
: >: :
: >: : http://www.drudgereport.com/flash2.htm
: >:
: >:
: >
: >

 

Bravo! Couldn't have put that better myself. Read and try to open your mind
just a bit Lloyd maybe you'll learn something.

 

I'm not a right-winger Lloyd, I've just got enough common-sense to not
swallow either line from the far left or far right hook, line, and sinker
like you so obviously do from the far left.

 

Not as many as Democratic. The counties Gore tried to Cherry-pick in Florida
were Democratic strongholds. Do you think that was an accident?

I can't fault FMLA, in itself its a good thing. Workplace safety sometimes
goes to far the way the laws are written. Whether you like it or not Lloyd
there is such a thing as over regulation. I think abortion is wrong, but its
not for me or anyone else to legislate it, hence I don't think it should be
an issue.
The Brady Bill and assault weapons ban are a joke, if you actually got out
of that ivory tower you're holed up in you might realize it. If it were up
to you I could think of three people off the top of my head who might be
dead at the moment if they didn't have a firearm handy.
An Atlanta police officer's wife who killed her would be rapist.
A man who shot a would be carjacker on the northside of Atlanta somewhere in
a Wal-Fart parking lot.
A wal-Fart employee in Florida somewhere IIRC who was being stabbed by some
nutcase who was foiled by an old lady w/ a pistol.

 

"Real Scientist" - Ultra-left wing liberal who follows whatever facts that
support the agenda of the UN, Democratic party, CR, or any other group that
thinks it knows what's best for everybody else in the world. you
know..elitests.

"False Scientist" - Anyone w/ a different opinion who's facts are to be
debunked, ignored, and ridiculed as right-wing propaganda whether they are
or not.

 

What about all those greenhouse gasses that the fires have spewed into the
air? Does that mean that the environmental groups that blocked any thinning
of the forests are responsible for releasing all that CO2 and contributing
to global warming. Its certainly put more CO2 into the air than my little
truck ever will or has in the 11 years I've owned it.

 

You forget, it's the source and location of the CO2 that matters in
the political arguement. Not that it simply takes from a carbon sink
and releases CO2 to the atmosphere. A forest fire produces good CO2. An
automobile in the USA produces bad CO2. A factory in China produces good
CO2. A factory in the USA produces bad CO2. A tractor on a farm in the USA
produces bad CO2. A coal fired electric plant in china produces good
CO2. And on and on.

I'll believe that CO2 is bad when people promoting CO2 limitations
start being consistant and being against all CO2 production (where carbon
is moved from sink like a tree or fossil fuel into the atmosphere due
to human causes), not just the production that doesn't agree with their
politics.

 

I was thinking the same thing when I went out to get the paper on Sunday
morning and saw plumes of smoke the size of thunderheads all the way across
the horizon. There aren't enough SUV's in the world.... NO!.... in history
to put out the amount of greenhouse gases being released in one day! The
whole SUV/Greenhouse gases thing is a canard.

Ironically, one of the reasons SUV's are so popular is the supply of large
cars with powerful engines were so restricted starting with the1973 CAFE
regulations.

 

1976. and the required MPG level didn't reach critical levels until the
mid 1980s.

 

The inability to do *all* one wishes to do does not translate into the
need to do *nothing*.
Don't be so childish.

 

That's what usenet is for.

 

Would that be by instituting the largest tax increase in our history?
Explain how increased taxes improve the economy.

 

Bravo! Couldn't have put that better myself. Read and try to open your
mind just a bit Lloyd maybe you'll learn something.>

Indeed, Lloyd will become conservative and green-fable-questioning when 1)
he works his @$$ off, gets a well-deserved promotion and finds out 55% went
to taxes, and 2) when the forest around his house is neglecetd by law and
the resulting inferno burns his house to the ground. He'll then learn he's
too wealthy to qualify for Federal assistance because he makes more than
$30k a year.

 

Great post, David.

 

What about all those greenhouse gasses that the fires have spewed into the
air? Does that mean that the environmental groups that blocked any thinning
of the forests are responsible for releasing all that CO2 and contributing
to global warming. Its certainly put more CO2 into the air than my little
truck ever will or has in the 11 years I've owned it.>

LOL!!!

Frankly, one volcanic eruption releases more toxic gasses inthe atmosphere
in an hour than all the man-created activities for the preceding three
decades.

 

You forget, it's the source and location of the CO2 that matters in the
political arguement. Not that it simply takes from a carbon sink and
releases CO2 to the atmosphere. A forest fire produces good CO2. An
automobile in the USA produces bad CO2. A factory in China produces good
CO2. A factory in the USA produces bad CO2. A tractor on a farm in the USA

And on and on.

BrentP nails the issue once again!

 

The whole SUV/Greenhouse gases thing is a canard. <

Of course it is, but anyone even suggesting this becomes a
"right-winger".

cars with powerful engines were so restricted starting with the1973 CAFE
regulations. >

Absolutely. Back then the left figured that by now they could have forced
everyone into micro-cars and mass transit.

 

1976. and the required MPG level didn't reach critical levels until the
mid 1980s. <

Right, and to achieve this result mfrs had to "downsize" all their cars.
However this put drivers at much elevated risk of death & serious injury,
even the Clinton-era NHTSA reported findings that concluded the forced
downsizing resulted in the unnecessary deaths of nearly 20,000 people. They
concluded the increases in milage achieved by weight reduction could have
been easily achieved through powertrain management systems that by the time
of thewir report, 2000, were already in production. You cn stick the entire
fiasco on the backs of liberals like Hopward Metzenbaum of Ohio (who gave
us the 55 mph speed limit... remember THAT fiasco?) and that @$$#01e Joan
Claybrook.

 

Maybe we're both wrong.... It was the Energy Policy and Conservation Act of
1975.