Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers

But nobody is actually taxed at that rate from The Government. Especially
just starting out - even an engineer. <

You are an idiot! Of course you have to add ALL the taxes together, what,
the non-Fed taxes isn't money taken away from you? Sheezus, do you :Liberals
think everyone's stupid!??

Living in an urban area of this Country a moderate income family will pay
28-31% Federal, 6.5-8% State, 3 - 7% City, 6.2% FICA amd 1.4% Medicare (and
that does not include the other 7.5% FICA/Medicare paid by their employer on
their behalf...that's not a tax on the employer, it's booked income to the
employee, paid to the government as a TAX, stupid). Then lets add in
property tax (if you're lucky enough to have anything left with which to pay
a mortgage) which in the East can run more than the mortgage payment each
month. Taxes thus run 55% or higher EASILY on a moderate income.

Wanna have a shock, my bushy-tailed, idealistic young College grad? Plug
some numbers into Turbo Tax sometimes and see whats going to happen to you
as your career advances and you get some raises! Easily 50% of every dollar
you make will be gone to taxes somewhere.

Where do you think all your liberal lies & schemes fall apart? At the ballot
box, dummy, after everyone realizes "the rich" the Democrats (and some of
their Republican buddies) talk about are really the middle class, trying to
buy a house (or, even save the down payment while they pay $2k a month for a
little aprtment somewhere), save for their kids college and their own
retirement.

Screw You and your liberal smoke & mirror "taxes on the rich" bullshit,
pal!!! Everyone has seen through this scam.

 

What it really gets down to is too many people. Not having enough
resources to go around will IMO constrain human activity earlier than
anything else. >

Bravo! Who'll be the first gallant politician to suggest population control?
Not a Democrat (for sure!) or Republican, thye need the votes.

 

I wasn't aware that morons were confined to one particular political
party. <

I stand corrected, Dori! ;-)

 

Just like I said - when you have nothing to say, you right-wingers resort
to name-calling. <

Why is it you leftist assholes always think anyone who disagreees with you
is a "right-winger"? No wonder no one takes you seriously any longer.

commercial for Rush or Hannity. <

But, Nader is not part of the Republicrat establishment, is he? Neither was
Perot, who I voted for the previous two elections.

By the way, if you can purge your shallow little leftist mind of all the
Socialist indoctrination you've been fed you'll find that people in the
middle and on the right often have quite well formed positions on matters
that the left has managed to dominate, and **** UP, for over 50 years.

I hate to challenge your little leftist sensibilities, but Bill Clinton was
not a liberal, he was just a politician wanting more & more power. He was a
HYPOCRITE of the first order.
Al Gore lost becuase he couldn't carry his own State, where he got creamed
because he no longer represented the values of the people who sent him to
Washington in the first place, and because Nader sucked off the Green vote
which he'd not convinced.

this time for sure.

And that's the problem, isn't it Jonesey, too many people, indeed a MAJORITY
of us, don't agree with you and your Socialist buddies! (Get used to being
irrelevant....)

 

Exactly! They need the votes. The greater the population, the greater
the stress on each individual, (be it from working more to keep the same
standard of living or struggling to get by) the less they are watched
and the easier they can keep their power.

 

That's very funny. Seriously, I laughed. No, I wasn't that crazy. First of
all my Horizon wasn't worth the gas in the tank. Secondly, I had the weight
distributed evenly. The car in the link looks like it has over 1000 pounds.

To the other readers: have a laugh http://www.visi.com/~timf/Stupid.jpg

 

They've already done it, AIDs elimination aid grants to africa are merely
nominal.

rhys

 

Notice of course with Lloyd that he continues harping on the one solid
lie in the mess - that Bush was lying about WMD - and uses the fact that
Bush lied to make the claim that we should not have gone to war in Iraq.

And notice how he completely ignores the moral reasons we had to go
into Iraq, because those are not lies, and thus he cannot argue against
them. Thus, since they prove that his conclusion - we shouldn't have gone
to war in Iraq - is wrong, he ignores them.

This is how Lloyd argues, and it is very tiresome. He finds some verifyable
facts out there, then builds an entire conclusion based on them and runs
around
spouting that his conclusion must be right because it's based on fact. Then
when someone comes along and points out some other facts that are in
conflict with his conclusion, he ignores this and just goes back to his
first
set of facts.

Basically he gerrymanders the argument to prove his point. I really don't
believe
that he knows how to argue against any point that conflicts with his world
view,
I have never once seen him do so.

Ted

 

Your mostly correct except that the right also wants control over thought
and speech, and how people live, etc. That is why they are passing
anti-abortion
laws, anti-flag-buring laws, uniforms in schools, etc.

Basically what it boils down to is that everyone wants everyone else to
think the same way that they do. And to tell the truth, in subgroups where
there are safety valves (ie: Mennonite, Quakers, Mormons) where people
who don't buy into the subgroup's belief structure can just leave, those
subgroups are actually very harmonious, within their group.

So, if your goal is real peace, and real goodwill among most people, just
get everyone to think, act, talk, walk and dress alike, and use the same
products, drive the same models of cars, work the same jobs, etc. etc.
Nirviana.

Ted

 

No, that's not why...

That's the real reason why. Republicans may be stupid but never this
stupid.
A vote in the general election for Nader was a vote for George Bush. What
happened was all the liberals out there talked themselves into believing
that
"it's only I that is voting for Nader, everyone else is voting for Gore so
I'm
free to vote my conscience without helping Bush" Then when the results of
the
general election came in all the liberal fuckups that voted for Nader
realized
they outsmarted themselves and realized they had just set the entire
Democratic
party back 20 years. That is why nobody is taking them seriously now.

Ted

 

Of course, consider too that the sexually promiscious lifestyle prevalent
there
has greatly encouraged the epidemic. And I am not talking about a mere
10-20
different sex partners over a lifetime being worthy of note, I'm talking
about
a society where buying a different prostitute 3-5 times a week is not that
unusual.

AIDS is one of those population limiting devices that is about 80%
voluntary,
20% involuntary. If people don't want to die from it, they can tremendously
increase their odds against getting it by limiting multiple sex partners.

Ted

 

sides, not just "your half") and

Then let's include the employer's property taxes and utility bills.

Gee, if you right-wingers include everything anybody pays as YOUR taxes, I bet
you could get up over 100%!

 

Why not read something a real scientific group says? IPCC, or EPA, or
National Academy of Sciences? Afraid?

Arsenic is natural too; want to eat a pound of it?

 

So "the" government doesn't mean "one" like it logically should?

Wrong. You're confusing marginal tax rate with effective rate. Your first X
dollars aren't taxed, your next Y dollars at 15%, etc.

Again, you're confusing marginal and effective rates.

Up to a maximum.

It's no more income to me than sales tax or property tax my employer may pay.

Let's add in insurance and price of groceries then.

Most people view paying taxes in return for government sources as something
necessary. That's why they live in a society and not an anarchy.

 

If you're going to call people names, it hardly behooves you to piss and moan
when they call you names.

And gee, wasn't the country doing great under him?

I doubt many agree with you and your fascist buddies either.

 

Bush never gave those as reasons -- it was the threat against us.

So when are we going to overthrow the saudis? The Chinese? Does your
morality extend to all nasty regimes?

 

Clinton received more votes than any of his opponents. Bush did not. That's
the fact, dumbass.

 

Nature maintains forests very nicely, as she has done for a very long time.

 

Then when someone comes along and points out some other facts that are in
conflict with his conclusion, he ignores this and just goes back to his
first set of facts.

believe that he knows how to argue against any point that conflicts with his
world view, I have never once seen him do so. <

He'll therefore make an excellent leftist politician!

 

think the same way that they do...... So, if your goal is real peace, and
real goodwill among most people, just get everyone to think, act, talk, walk
and dress alike, and use the same products, drive the same models of cars,
work the same jobs, etc. etc. Nirviana. <

Now you understand the goals of Socialists, the far right and Osama as
well!