Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers

Would someone please tell the 6th-grade drop-outs here to stop arguing science
with scientists? As Pogo said, I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an
unarmed opponent.

 

AWESOME, then my Duece and a half 6x6 should be darn safe. I just might
make it my daily driver instead of one of my Jeeps.

chris
g1

 

ALL vehicles are unsafe if driven past the limits of the vehicle and the
drivers abilities.. young drivers (males especially) seem to consider
themselves invincible whether they drive an SUV (lifted and 31" BFG's) or a
Civic (lowered and oversize rims and thin rubber).. moms and dads drive
minivans.. they have become aware of their own fragility.. they carry kids
to hockey etc.. they have nothing to prove.. the distance between A and B is
down to whether they will have to backtrack to pick up stuff that the kids
have forgotten, and not how fast they can cover the distance.. quit blaming
the vehicles.. it is the people who sit behind the wheel that make the
statistics what they are..

 

Have we met?

 

It can be traced back to the origins of bow and arrow.

 

I'm still waiting for these CO2 zealots to 1) prove their theories, 2)
assuming they are correct, propose a single workable solution besides
getting mom to sell her SUV. The entire theory is a full of holes as their
proponents heads.

Funny how the greens ignore studies that show recent warming has a perfect
correlation to the simultaneous spike in solar activity. Two Danish
scientists (Friz-Christiansen & Lassen) have proven a direct cause & effect
between periods of high solar activity and earth temps, going back hundreds
of years. How arrogant (but typical) of anti-society, socialist green
zealots to assume the puny effect of man vs. the absolute effect of the sun
on global climatic norms.

So, tell me oh green ones, 10,000 years ago, how many primitives driving
gas-guzzling SUVs did it take to turn the Sahara from a lush oasis into a
desert? (Oh, I see, you're hoping no one knows about that event, aren't
you?)

 

No, only when it is a "diagnosis."

 

I see you've never paid attention to details and don't know why you
shouldn't make universal statements.

 

And if you really had an understanding of science you wouldn't take
corrolation as causation and then declare the causation fact.

 

Better a 6th grade drop out than an elitist know-it-all that blindly follows
anything that comes out of the DNC, CR, or any UN based org. who replies to
any differing opinion with "Learn some science.", "idiot", "nazi", "right
winger", etc.......
You sound like a broken record after a while Lloyd. Try having an open mind
it might be a new experiance for you.

 

It certainly appears that way, doesn't it? Doesn't it really hurt your
pride to be outsmarted by an asshole like Saddam? -Dave

 

I never claimed immunity, simply that I feel that I can predict the
actions of *enough* (i.e. the majority of) drivers that it is of more
benefit, safety-wise, to base my car purchasing decisions on "active
safety" attributes like handling, acceleration, braking, etc. rather
than "passive safety" features like airbags, crumple zones and the
like. The fact that many people seem to be basing their vehicle
purchases on passive safety over active safety is a telling commentary
on how people view driving in the US - i.e. that crashes are
unavoidable and will happen to everyone eventually. That doesn't seem
to be too far removed from reality, as I've actually heard many people
express such views in conversation - far more than I've heard mulling
over the handling characteristics of potential vehicle purchases.

nate

 

True. However, relativity is simply a theory - the best one we have
at the moment - to describe the observations that we are capable of
making at this time. By your Llogic, way back thousands of years ago,
the geocentric model of the universe was a "fact" and then later
Newtonian mechanics was a collection of "facts." We now know those
concepts to be false and approximations respectively.

So what is gravity, the fact? Can you state authoritatively that
gravity ALWAYS follows the inverse square rule or is there perhaps
some fine tuning to be done regarding interactions under conditions we
haven't thought of yet? For crying out loud, we still don't know
*why* objects with mass attract each other, simply that they appear to
do so.

Science is not a collection of facts to be parroted by rote, it is a
process by which we refine our understanding of how various aspects of
the Universe work. It's the height of arrogance to proclaim that one
can authoritatively state that something is the TRVTH especially in
light of the amazing changes that have come in our understanding of
almost every scientific field over only the last few centuries. Of
course, you appear to be no stranger to arrogance, beginning with your
assertion that you are actually a scientist. At best you are an
engineer, one who makes use of the discoveries of scientists for
practical applications, however as an engineer I'd be ashamed to claim
you in that rank even. Quite simply, at best you are a walking
encyclopedia - and a rather annoying one, at that.

nate

ObWeirdness - I appear to be watching a scientist arguing with a
creationist, and the creationist appears to be the more reasonable of
the two. When was the last time you saw that happen?

ObYesIKnow - this is the last you'll hear from me on this topic; it is
true what they say about arguing with an idiot. I'm bowing out now in
the interest of preserving what IQ points I have left.

 

I asked you first, oh lying one.

 

Is there a scientist here, because Lloyd sure as hell isn't one.

 

More than you wanted to know about Dr. Parker:

http://www.oxford.emory.edu/Directories/View.cfm?UserID=130

 

Hell Lloyd it was even on CNN last night, the story about the ice in the
Arctic melting, which, as they put it, is caused by warmer temperatures,
possible because of Global warming, although (their words) The CAUSE of the
Global warming is still UNKNOWN.
For someone claiming to be a scientist you sure don't know much science.
Better learn some before you post here claiming to be one you lying wannabe.

 

He will now chastise you for getting information from CNN instead of scientific
journals.

However, keep in mind that Parker believes Road and Track and Consumer Reports
over SAE papers and articles.... go figure.

 

Actually it began around 11,000 years ago, when the last ice age ended.