Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Dianelos Georgoudis, Oct 17, 2003.

  1. Dianelos Georgoudis

    rnf2 Guest

    Stupid.
    should be able to import anything that is not currently imported by a
    manufacturor.

    rhys
     
    rnf2, Oct 25, 2003
  2. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Brent P Guest

    It's a purposeful warpage of the old saying 'throws a monkey wrench
    into the works'. A former co-worker came up with that, I've used it since
    because I think it's much funnier ;)
     
    Brent P, Oct 25, 2003
  3. Dianelos Georgoudis

    rnf2 Guest

    I didn't get credit, but I got in a book written by a lecturer here at Uni,
    we were having a debate and one of my remarks in refuting the opposing
    arguement made the lecturer go all thoughtful and she asked after class if
    she could quote me in the textbook on the subject she was writing.

    rhys
     
    rnf2, Oct 25, 2003
  4. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Aardwolf Guest

    Or anything that meets ECE specs, but hey, this is the Land of the Free we're
    talking about. Can't have that!

    --Aardwolf.
     
    Aardwolf, Oct 25, 2003
  5. Even more important, in what journals has he been published.

    Matt
     
    Matthew S. Whiting, Oct 25, 2003
  6. All of the above depends on an accurate means of dating things that
    occurred before any of us were around, and that simply doesn't exist.
    And there is no way to calibrate accurately or prove it anyway.


    Matt
     
    Matthew S. Whiting, Oct 25, 2003
  7. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Dave C. Guest

    Because of CAFE, you are correct. Damn CAFE to hell. -Dave
     
    Dave C., Oct 25, 2003
  8. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Dave C. Guest

    Oh, well I'm 5'10" with disproportionately long legs. I wouldn't be
    comfortable in most cars unless someone 6'2" would be comfortable in them.
    Still, I don't consider myself (or guys 6' and over, for that matter) to be
    unnaturally large. There are many car buyers who are not 5'9". -Dave
     
    Dave C., Oct 25, 2003
  9. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Brent P Guest

    It's very easy to get an accurate rate. By measuring the precession (sp?)
    of stars now we can tell how they appeared thousands of years ago.
    Some acient cultures appear to have been able to make these calculations
    as well. The same goes for layers of ice, tree rings, soil depth, etc
    etc etc...
     
    Brent P, Oct 25, 2003
  10. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Joe Guest

    call yourself "above average"... makes it sound better...
     
    Joe, Oct 25, 2003
  11. Then I have a whole rack of bones to pick with the designer; he appears
    so incompetent that even Bechtel wouldn't hire him.
     
    John David Galt, Oct 25, 2003
  12. The key word is "appear." It is extremely unlikely that we will ever
    know "for sure" what happened years ago. We can look at lots of
    circumstantial evidence and try to draw logical conclusions, but the
    reality is that we'll simply never know with certainty and some
    scientists just seem unable to accept that. So, they claim certainty
    about things that simply aren't and lose credibility.

    Matt
     
    Matthew S. Whiting, Oct 25, 2003
  13. In your case that may well be true. Blame in on evolution since the
    original design was created. Scope creep and field changes are common
    problems and tend to ruin many elegant designs. :)


    Matt
     
    Matthew S. Whiting, Oct 25, 2003
  14. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lon Stowell Guest

    Approximately 10/25/03 12:40, Matthew S. Whiting uttered for posterity:
    I'm fairly sure that *you* were being proposed as the ISO 9001
    quality dropout from your allegedly intelligent designer.
     
    Lon Stowell, Oct 25, 2003
  15. Keep evolving, maybe some day you'll come up with a good retort.

    Matt
     
    Matthew S. Whiting, Oct 26, 2003
  16. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Brent P Guest

    It's very clear that discussion with you absolutely pointless. Now that
    you take appear out of context. If you want to live in the 12th century
    fine, I don't.

    The reality is alot is *KNOWN* with a great deal of certainity. You just
    refuse to accept it because it doesn't match with your reading of a book
    of faith. What would you call someone who held up some book by L.Ron
    Hubbard and refused to believe anything that wasn't in it?
     
    Brent P, Oct 26, 2003
  17. Dianelos Georgoudis

    FDRanger92 Guest

    I kind of wonder about that myself. Every police officer I know has some
    amount of ammunition and road flairs in the trunk. A hard enough impact on
    the ammo can set it off, and considering the speeds at which the cars were
    hit, I would think it could contribute to a fire. I really don't think any
    car would hold up to the kind of impacts these things have had, and the
    numbers are relatively low considering the age and number of cars on the
    road.
     
    FDRanger92, Oct 26, 2003
  18. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Jim Warman Guest

    All of the diesels have their own very special set of problems.... Difficult
    to start in cold climates (my next truck will still be a SuperDuty diesel),
    the need to be religious about servicing the air filter, the amount of
    damage that can be caused by substandard fuel ( compared to a gas motor),
    higher costs regarding scheduled maintenance, difficulty in finding service
    outlets.... the list goes on.

    I can't speak for the current crop of Land Cruiser.... if they still use an
    indirect injection pump, these are fragile and are likely based on the old
    RoosaMaster pump - expensive is a word I could use. If they use the newer
    HEUI injector technology, specialized electronic test equipment is required
    for much in the way of running problem diagnostics. I don't believe there
    are any 'golden' solutions. I can't see diesel fuel being any cheaper in
    Nova Scotia than here in oil country.

    Still, it boils down to driving whatever floats our boats..... If it takes
    an $80 fillup to keep my loving bride feeling safe and comfortable, then an
    $80 fillup is what it shall be.Though I am a big proponent of minimizing
    emissions, I will always view it "in context".
     
    Jim Warman, Oct 26, 2003
  19. Dianelos Georgoudis

    rnf2 Guest

    If in the US the problem is also the availablity of diesel engines. Most are
    petrol and of diesels, most are old tech kept over form older models.
    Many good diesels are kept out for strange reasons. the very effective Isuzu
    4jb1 2.8 TD was never used in US Isuzus, only the anemic C223 2.2L diesel
    was offered, along with under powered 2.8L petrol GM V6. Theres similiar
    stories with other brands, the good diesels were never released in the US.

    rhys

     
    rnf2, Oct 26, 2003
  20. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Jim Warman Guest

    Cummins had the 600 horse KTA motor 'bout 20 years ago..... I tried out an
    "opened up" silver 92 Detroit..... had the big injectors, a reworked turbo
    and governed about 2800 or 3000. With the RTO12513 and a brownie behind
    that, two shifts on an empty 5 axle would have you doing 70mph.... I was too
    friggin' sane to try 8th over in the main and OD in the brownie at the same
    time...

    That Benz looks like a bit of a pussy....
     
    Jim Warman, Oct 26, 2003
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