Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Dianelos Georgoudis, Oct 17, 2003.

  1. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Bill Funk Guest

    See? Exactly what I said you'd say.
    Then, obviously, that can't be the cause of global warming, can it?
    Since global warming happened with the lower CO2 levels, it just
    *can't* be the higher levels that's causing the current warming.
    Science at work.
     
    Bill Funk, Oct 24, 2003
  2. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Brent P Guest

    Hence the first sentance I wrote above. But your statement above means
    much more.
    That's not the same statement as the one you wrote before.
    So you are now making a much more limited statement. Your global
    statement above indicates that we know all there is to know about 'atoms',
    it's all 'facts'. In reality we don't and it isn't.
    No. It's a theory, an explanation supported with evidence. Until an
    explaination that better fits the evidence, the facts, we have evolution.
    *sigh*. Read it again lloyd. (the climate = the climate of earth, in
    whole or in part)
    That's nice parker. Space aliens mutiliate cattle too...

    I peaked into sci.environment recently, saw people acting like the recent
    US warm spell was global warming in action. As usual didn't see you
    chastising them. Of course should someone suggest cold weather means
    there isn't global warming you and others jump in calling the person a
    moron with some saying that unusual cold too is proof of 'gobal warming'.
    No, global warming theory is not fixed in any shape or form.
    I told you long ago what my graduate degree is in.
    Still using consumer reports over engineering journals parker?
    That's like getting your science from the new york times, no scratch
    that, the national enquirer.
    You have faith in global warming, evolution, consumer reports, and who
    knows what else. You call anyone that doesn't share your beliefs, no
    matter what they have for evidence, heretics (of course you use other
    words to the same end).
    How so parker? I'm the one with the open mind. The one who could be
    convinced that say the theory of evolution is wrong provided suitable
    evidence was presented. Can you say the same? I don't think so.
     
    Brent P, Oct 24, 2003
  3. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Bill Funk Guest

    The the larger size *does* make the SUV safer?
     
    Bill Funk, Oct 24, 2003
  4. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Dave C. Guest

    Holy crap, the forester is puny. I can't imagine driving a legacy. Think
    Pontiac Grand Prix. That's a good starting point. Now think more
    oom. -Dave
     
    Dave C., Oct 24, 2003
  5. Dianelos Georgoudis

    John Mielke Guest

    What test equipment did they use a hundred thousand years ago?
    (i.e. How does anybody know what level it was that long ago?)
     
    John Mielke, Oct 24, 2003
  6. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Joe Guest

    The forester is SMALLER than the Legacy. The Forester is built on the
    Imprezza frame...
     
    Joe, Oct 24, 2003
  7. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Dave C. Guest

    Well it's not relevant at all, unless you have a family to consider. I know
    I sure as heck wouldn't take a road trip in a forester. Not unless I was
    masochistic, that is. -Dave
     
    Dave C., Oct 24, 2003
  8. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Dave C. Guest

    I can't speak for him, but I need lots of leg and head room. Jeep
    Cherokee,
    Well I can speak for him, and I agree with you. I don't think there's a
    single Jap car that I'd want to take on a long road trip. All too small,
    even the Avalon/Camry. -Dave
     
    Dave C., Oct 24, 2003
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    Dave C. Guest

    Your kind of people, or your view of comfort must be different from our
    You a family of midgets? -Dave
     
    Dave C., Oct 24, 2003
  10. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Dave C. Guest

    Name one that is a good value for the money. (I don't really expect a
    reply
    space.

    OK . . . show me one CAR or MINIVAN that has comparable seating and cargo
    space for less money than the typical SUV? Oh, and AWD or 4X4, with good
    towing capacity. -Dave
     
    Dave C., Oct 24, 2003
  11. That's only incredible if you ignore the fact that all the alternative
    "explanations" require similar coincidences, ie, who created God?
     
    John David Galt, Oct 24, 2003
  12. I agree. Saying we don't know for sure is accurate. Saying evolution
    is based on fact and creation is not based on fact, is simply not
    accurate. The only honest answer is that we don't know the complete
    answer and likely never will. Lloyd, and others who claim to be
    scientists, are incorrect at best, and disingenuous at worst, when they
    claim that evolution is fact based.

    I believe creation is the best available explanation. They believe
    evolution is the best available explanation. However, you can't say
    either is based on fact or provides a complete explanation.


    Matt
     
    Matthew S. Whiting, Oct 24, 2003
  13. And yet they kept looking for them, or are you to dumb to realize why they
    were there?
    No, Saddam kicked them out in 1998.
    The proof is that they did exist, and Saddam could not account for what
    happened to them.
    Well documented, look it up lazy.
    ..
    Irrelevant, I have not been ordered to destroy anything. If I were, I would
    destroy it with legally recognized witnesses. Sasddam kept meticulous
    records, he could easily have provided the proof of where they were and what
    he did, he choose not to. Perhaps, as has been suggested, he destroyed them
    but choose not to reveal that, hopeing to use them as a bluff. Well, we
    caled his bluff.
    Thak you for once again proving yourself an ignorant, closed-minded Liberal.
     
    The Ancient One, Oct 24, 2003
  14. What journals do YOU read Lloyd?
     
    The Ancient One, Oct 24, 2003
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    Brent P Guest

    Evolution is based in facts, evidence. It's an explanation based upon
    the evidence, the facts. It still could be incorrect, but it is based
    in fact.
    What if the means of creation is evolution? Throws the monkey into
    the wrench now doesn't it :)
     
    Brent P, Oct 24, 2003
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    Jim Yanik Guest

    (John Mielke) wrote in
    They measured gases frozen in layers of glacial,Arctic,and Anarctic
    ice.Drilled core samples,checked the layers.
     
    Jim Yanik, Oct 25, 2003
  17. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Jim Yanik Guest

    (Brent P) wrote in
    Hey,you guys should read Darwin's Radio and the sequel Darwin's Children,by
    Greg Bear. Sci-Fi,but very interesting.(they're about evolution)
     
    Jim Yanik, Oct 25, 2003
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    rnf2 Guest

    Do you get the Mitsibishi Diamante sedans?
    larger than a Ford Mondeo with more leg room.

    rhys
     
    rnf2, Oct 25, 2003
  19. Dianelos Georgoudis

    rnf2 Guest

    Mitsubishi Delecia Spacegear 4x4 minvan with turbo Diesel engine

    rhys
     
    rnf2, Oct 25, 2003
  20. Dianelos Georgoudis

    rnf2 Guest

    Ice core in Antartica, peat cores in bogs, ice cores in Alaska.

    plenty of ways of finding out about the limate long before metrologists
    evolved.

    rhys
     
    rnf2, Oct 25, 2003
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