Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Dianelos Georgoudis, Oct 17, 2003.

  1. Dianelos Georgoudis

    rnf2 Guest

    real bad boys cars those.
    Lots on the road here in NZ, now they're a popular Drag conversion car, with
    big tubbed wheels and a 5.7L cehv 350ci engine running Menthol with a turbo
    per 2 cylinders.

    rhys
     
    rnf2, Oct 24, 2003
  2. Dianelos Georgoudis

    rnf2 Guest

    Average age of cars here in NZ last i heard was in the range of 19 years.

    I drove an '82 Mitsi as my first car, followed by a '83 Nissan. now a '88
    Bighorn

    rhys
     
    rnf2, Oct 24, 2003
  3. It does for me. Doesn't get much more incredible than saying we all
    came from a random association of elements... How many ordered systems
    do you know of that just spontaneously emerged from a pile of parts? I
    wish we could build cars that way! Would be much cheaper...


    Matt
     
    Matthew S. Whiting, Oct 24, 2003
  4. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Joe Guest

    All the passengers would be "average"... the "freaks of nature" are on their
    own :)
     
    Joe, Oct 24, 2003
  5. Dianelos Georgoudis

    rickety Guest

    I'm glad I didn't know that when I had one!
     
    rickety, Oct 24, 2003
  6. Dianelos Georgoudis

    rickety Guest

    It's interesting, as your points are highly believable, but they don't come
    up in the news programs. I would have thought that if ammunition was a
    contributing factor then Ford would have been highlighting that in public
    announcements.
     
    rickety, Oct 24, 2003
  7. Dianelos Georgoudis

    rickety Guest

    Your kind of people, or your view of comfort must be different from our
    family who managed to be comfortable in an Impreza hatchback.
     
    rickety, Oct 24, 2003
  8. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    The explanation may be unsettled; the fact that gravity is, is not.
    No, that time moves slower in a gravity well is fact, for example.
    But they don't refute the existence of atoms.
    No, it is a fact; there's an accompanying explanation as to how it happens.
    No, warming on a global scale.

    The world is getting warmer; that's why it's called _global_ warming.
    Yes it is.
    So which journals do you read? What area of science is your graduate degree
    in?
    No, Galileo used science; the ones who went after him refused to see the
    science because it contradicted their faith. You're the church here.
     
    Lloyd Parker, Oct 24, 2003
  9. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    Most are less expensive than an SUV with comparable seating or cargo space.
     
    Lloyd Parker, Oct 24, 2003
  10. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    No, the lies are that Iraq has (present tense) WMD, that these WMD posed an
    imminent threat to us, that Iraq was trying to buy uranium, that Iraq bought
    metal tubing suitable only for enriching uranium, that Saddam harbored
    al-Qaida terrorists, that Saddam was in leaque with bin Laden, ...
     
    Lloyd Parker, Oct 24, 2003
  11. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    Great. You compare a Mercedes the size of an Escape to an SUV bigger than an
    S-class.
     
    Lloyd Parker, Oct 24, 2003
  12. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    Then you're stupid.
     
    Lloyd Parker, Oct 24, 2003
  13. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    And based on science, discovered it was not.
     
    Lloyd Parker, Oct 24, 2003
  14. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    Liar. Noone has ever said that.

    There was around 280 ppm for hundreds of thousands of years, until the mid
    19th century. Now there's 350 ppm, over a 25% increase.
     
    Lloyd Parker, Oct 24, 2003
  15. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Brent P Guest

    And incompetent would describe most drivers in this country (USA). In
    fact drivers are trained to be incompetent. First, practically all
    collisions are generally called 'accidents' as if they were all not
    predictable. Then throw in tons of speed kills stuff like carl's
    unexpected. No call to pay attention to the task of driving, to
    understand driving, only to go slow so *when* someone crashes it
    won't be as bad. On top of all of this, safety in the USA is generally
    considered how well a vehicle survives a crash, not how many it avoids.
    (outside a few BMW commericals)

    Combine all these things and we get a bunch of people driving with
    the views of the person you replied to. Accidents 'just happen', they
    aren't in control, they aren't responsible, they cannot predict, they
    can't do anything but get the biggest/strongest vehicle they can
    afford for when they crash.

    Practically everything I see other drivers do on the road is
    predictable to me and when someone does something I didn't predict
    I often believe I should have been able to. I recall some sign, some
    tell, that I ignored.

    I have (as do many others, it's nothing special) enough driving experience
    to be able to read a road situation and the individual styles of drivers to
    be able to predict what they are going to do before they do it.
    It only takes knowledge and paying attention to detail.

    While ideally, predictability should be what is seen on the autobahn,
    even though the flow of US driving appears chaotic, the movement of
    individual vehicles is rather predictable. I don't know how to prove
    this other than to do a carl with a video camera and give a rolling
    commentary. I would need two cameras and picture in picture because
    both front and rear would need to be filmed.
     
    Brent P, Oct 24, 2003
  16. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    They did. They reported this. Bush refused to believe them.

    We withdrew them prior to bombing Iraq.
    Bush claimed they existed in 2003. Where is the proof?

    Prove their existence first.

    Prove you've destroyed all traces of drugs in your house.
     
    Lloyd Parker, Oct 24, 2003
  17. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Mike Romain Guest

    Bill, your computer date is waaay off which makes your cross posts hang
    out at the top of the list for a long time....

    If you weren't cross posting to 3 groups I read you wouldn't be so
    annoying, but I just thought you should know about the date and time
    thing.

    Mike
    86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
    88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

    <snip>
     
    Mike Romain, Oct 24, 2003
  18. Where did I claim that Brent?

    You need to join Marc and go back and read the posts in question.
    It is impossible to predict the actions of every driver.

    That's why some accidents are truly accidents, i.e. unavoidable. To
    claim that you have the absolute ability " to *predict* what other
    drivers are going to do and *avoid* being collected by them" is
    ridiculous, hence my reply.
    LOL. Psychic, eh?

    To claim that you can predict what every driver is going to do is
    ridiculous.
    And a special device to monitor your psychic output.

    Situational awareness is one of the cornerstones of safe driving but
    to think that it makes you immune from the actions of other drivers is
    the height of arrogance, or ignorance.
     
    P e t e F a g e r l i n, Oct 24, 2003
  19. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Joe Guest

    It could be the server he's using... that was the problem with my odd posts
    about a months ago. Used 2 servers. Ones timw was off. Now it's just
    dead.
     
    Joe, Oct 24, 2003
  20. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Joe Guest

    no argument here...

     
    Joe, Oct 24, 2003
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