Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers

yes. it is linear, because a car's kinetic energy KE = 1/2 * mass *
velocity^2. mass is a linear term, so proportionally heavier cars are
the same. speed is a different story...it is exponential, meaning a
little more speed can do a LOT more damage.

john

 

Approximately 10/17/03 18:44, John T. Waisanen uttered for posterity:

So buy a Porsche Cayenne Turbo and get a nimble vehicle that
weighs over a coupla tons.

 

No, just to *predict* what other drivers are going to do and *avoid*
being collected by them. Works pretty well so far.

nate

 

I did... but I know Fagerlin is reading it from RAD because he's been
posting there semi-regularly.

I really should have known what with all the x-posted groups that this
would be yet another "SUVs REALLY REALLY are safe, 'cause the salesman
told me so!" thread and should have bitten my tongue. Fingers. Whatever.

nate

 

It has to do with far more factors than weight. Design plays a very
big roll. This is why I'd rather be in a 5000lb car than a 5000 lb truck
if I were to crash. So there is no real scaling with weight, there are
too many factors to consider. The one generality that is clear is the
structures that protect the passengers in cars like the crown victoria,
the old caprices, etc are where the extra mass ends up, even if it's
there just to hold the car together and make bigger. In light trucks
alot of that extra mass goes to things that don't help in a crash. Such
as suspension arms that can hold up to off road use.

I would expect fewer deaths if CAFE was abolished and traditionally
sized cars returned with all the benefits of modern knowledge.

 

Meanwhile we are stuck with roads full vehicles that can't be turned
and accelerate any decent rate at the same time thanks to their CG height
and others can't see beyond them so traffic lights process fewer vehicles
and more congestion results, which wastes fuel, yadda yadda yadda. (see
previous threads with cite)

 

Go put some lead blocks in your vehicle and see they make you safer.
They'll add momentum.

 

And what's with the premise that people who don't like seeing SUVs on
the roads don't like off roading? Personally I'd be HAPPY if I could go
to a dealership and buy a basic, manual-transmission SUV with a manual
transfer case, vinyl seats, and hose-clean rubber floormats. I just
wouldn't drive it to work every day. Until such time as that happens
I'll just wait until my dad gets sick of the old Scout II rotting in his
barn and save my ducats for a fiberglass body tub.

nate

 

I knew it was going to be another SUVs are not safe because CR told me
so thread. I'm biting my sandwich.

 

Uh, nope. I don't expect to wreck but I bought a very safe vehicle
just in case.

Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?

Your cluelessness apparently knows no bounds.

So because I drive a very safe SUV, that outhandles and outperforms
many passenger cars, and you can't seem to grasp that simple concept,
that makes me an ass?

I guess I'll have some of what you've been smoking.

 

Whatever.

My comments have nothing to do with "salesman's claims" and everything
to do with pure fact.

Despite that fact that you find my claims incomprehensible.

 

ROTFLMAO!

Key words:

"so far"

If you think you can avoid accidents because you think that you can
predict what other drivers are going to do then you are even more
hopelessly clueless than your other posts indicate.

 

Many shitty passenger cars, maybe. Good passenger cars, I doubt it.
Either that, or it's one of those horrible car-based SUVs that are
supposed to look like SUVs, handle like cars, and don't do either well.

nate

 

"hopelessly clueless?" I don't think so. Try "has good situational
awareness."

Of course, I wouldn't expect you to understand anything about skill.
Heck, that guy just pulled right out in front of you with no warning,
didn't he?

nate

 

well.

Nope. Not car-based. Full ladder frame in fact. Low range, etc.

Watch your assumptions lest you make yourself look like an even bigger
idiot than you already have.

Cheers!

 

SA is a good thing but still doesn't make you immune from the acts of
others. To claim otherwise is very clueless.

What kind of idiotic assumption is that?

How can you possibly assume that I don't "understand anything about
skill" because I've challenegd your silly assumptions?

SA doesn't make you immune idiot. Since you apparently think it does,
hopefully you won't have a rude awakening that causes you any bodily
harm.

 

If I remember right petey has one of those MB ones. I haven't driven
one, but riding in one doesn't inspire the sort of confindence petey
boasts about.

 

Let me try to help you folks out...My Jeep doesn't have 4 doors....only
2...and part of the year it has none. My jeep is not an SUV, your SUV is
not a jeep. PLEASE stop cross posting your trolling drivel to the
rec.autos.makers.jeep&willys newsgroup. If we agreed with you we would be
in a different newsgroup than we are and this debate will never get solved
on the internet only waste bandwidth.

Sean

 

I don't know if you are addressing me, or somebody else, but you replied
to one of my posts, and left it included, so I'll assume it's me. That's
the kind of problem that happens when people top post, can't tell exaxctly
what they are trying to do because they are too damn lazy to trim anything
or bother with context.

I don't give a shit what you think your jeep is or how many fing doors
it has. And while you are at learn what a troll post is. Hint: the post
you replied wasn't one.

Continuing on to your next dumbass post, I am reading a different
newsgroup, rec.autos.DRIVING. I'd love to see alot less SUV and other
light truck crap in the group. But it's not like it's going to go
unchallenged when it comes around either.