Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers

Lloyd, how many petroleum based products are in your computer?

 

"CO2 is produced by human activities"
and nothing else. So there was NO CO2 before humans evolved??

 

the '80s Jaguar XJ6 / XJ12s used to do that - they had fuel tanks in each
rear quarter which would burst and spray fuel into the interior.. Changed
with the XJ40s

--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

: Kevin wrote:
: > RJ wrote:
: >>
: >>
: >>> RJ wrote:
: >>>
: >>>
: >>>>
: >>>>
: >>>>
: >>>>> Remember the days when you could buy a wagon and expect to haul
: >>>>> plywood and tow a trailer with it?
: >>>>
: >>>>
: >>>> 1. No 4x4 (a factor wherever it snows)
: >>>> 2. Those old beasts delivered around 12 mpg.
: >>>>
: >>>> If you claim that point 2 is negated by modern technology,
: >>>> everything I've seen with seriously higher gas mileage is front
: >>>> wheel drive and is therefore worthless as a towing vehicle.
: >>>
: >>> That's not the fault of "passenger cars" per se, it's the fault of
: >>> CAFE which has killed the full sized car as we once knew it.
: >>
: >>
: >> The only true full size car left is the Crown Vic. Still rear wheel
: > dirve with steel frame. Big fan, and heavy enough to keep you alive.
:
: istr that the story is when they are hit from the rear the fuel tank is
: prone to rupture and ignite the spillage. Kind of like a big Pinto.
:
: --
: Rickety
:
:

 

the Kadett was a horrible piece of shit, with a rusty body, awful gearbox
and weak 4 cyl thrashy engine. The brakes were great and the handling was
pretty good for a small car, but the build quality sucked..

I had one ...

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

: In article <>,
: >
: >
: >Lloyd Parker wrote:
: >
: >> Yeah, we got Pintos, Vegas, and Gremlins.
: >
: >I can't speak to Vegas and Gremlins, but I did own a shiny new 1972
Pinto.
: The
: >only import car in the same price range that was better in my opinion was
the
: >Datsun 510 (and it was more expensive). The low cost Toyotas available in
the
: >Eastern US in 1972 were low grade junk and too small inside besides.
:
: I had a 1972 Corolla that was an excellent entry-level car. Opel was also
: selling Kadetts and 1900s that were good cars.
:
:
: >The VWs
: >sold at that time were laugable. The 510 was a great little car. I
probably
: >would have bought one if there had been a dealer in my home town. The
biggest
: >problem the US companies had was their desire to not build low price cars
: that
: >would take sales away from their other models.
: >
: >Ed
: >

 

That's funny, if the UN inspectors destroyed them, you would think they
would have remembered that. Was this before or after they were kicked out of
Iraq by Saddam?

Since Saddam has used them several times in the past, only a totally
braindead Liberal could claim they didn't exist. Question is Where are they
now, not do they exist. If they were destroyed, why couldn't, or wouldn't,
Saddam provide proof of it? Keep posting Lloyd, everytime you do it serves
to educate all the new readers about just how ignorant you truly are.

! =-----

 

Why not? Lloyd lies, and he's Liberal, plus Clinton is his hero. If lying
under oath was good enough for slick Willy, it's good enough for Lloyd.

 

Yep, and it isn't caused by man.

You wouldn't know a fact if it kicked you in the teeth.

 

Well it is all opinion, but I though the 70's Corollas were cramped, noisy, slow,
and ugly. Plus even in North Carolina they rusted out in just a few years. The
Opels were more expensive than a Pinto and, at least where I lived, poorly
supported by Buick (same story with the Ford Cortinas). If I'd had more money, I
probably would have bought a Capri, but the Pinto was much cheaper. For as long as
I owned my Pinto I autocrossed it. It was not the best car in its class (and I was
far from the best driver), but I don't recall either the Opels or the Toyotas
being much of a treat. One of my HS chums had a 1900. My sister was still driving
my Pinto when his 1900 was sent to the junk yard becasue it was too expensive to
fix.

The problem with captive imports is the lack of support the parent company seems
to devote to them. GM, Ford, and even Chrysler (remember the Cricket?) have all at
times imported vehicles from their overseas subsiduaries. I have yet to see any of
the captive imports be properly supported. I don't know if this is becasue of low
volumes sold, differences in culture (European and Japanese car typically have a
much shorter life than US cars), or corporate bias (NIH).

Ed

 

Subaru (any model).

Nope. Even the largest model doesn't seat more than four comfortably. Even
four are not comfortable in the forester. -Dave

 

Or spontaneous emergence from the primordial soup.

Matt

 

Hardly. These are nothing more than models that explain observations in
some regimes. We are always learning new things that violate our
current models and require rethinking. You wouldn't know a fact if it
sat in your lap.

Probably as well as you do based on your past posts.


Matt

 

No, it's not even that. I don't have enough faith to believe that
humans randonly emerged from a collection of elements. Much easier to
accept that a supreme being designed and created us.

And if the big bang theory is correct, where did the matter and energy
for the big bang come from?


Matt

 

Too damn expensive and too damn small.
I don't think you get the Mitsubishi Delicia Spacegear 4x4 minivan in the
USA, but it's good here. 2.7L turbo diesel and 4X4 while carrying 8 people.

rhys

 

Sorry, 'and then he created man' doesn't have the kind of supporting
evidence of evolution does. We could also toss in genetic meddling by
ETs etc, etc, but in the end evolution best explains the data we have.

And who says that evolution wasn't the process behind 'and then he
created man' ?

And now it's *REALLY* off topic.

 

IMHO teaching critical thinking skills is far more important than
teaching "facts." Teaching "facts" is an excellent way to stamp out the
ability of the student to think for himself.

nate

 

I had a 72 Corolla too, with the 1600cc hemi engine. It was a great car
(and my first). I had it for about 5 years.

 

I'd disagree with the last statement - IME European cars have a *longer*
life than American cars. Now Japanese cars, due to their weird laws, do
seem to start falling apart around the 10 year mark.

If we're talking about *old* American cars - like 60's vintage - then
that's different. The late 60's were a good decade for cars... they had
the basics down pat but hadn't started loading vehicles up with too many
shiny baubles yet. You could probably drive one indefinately, so long
as you pick a popular model for which replacement parts are still
available (and "popular" includes a lot - I have no problems finding
Studebaker parts, at least non-body parts, for instance) and are willing
to keep up with the more frequent maintenance schedules and periodic
rebuilds of suspensions, etc.

nate

 

A very flawed metric, as it doesn't account for vehicle miles traveled.
This was discussed here (RAD) earlier this year or perhaps last year
if you feel motivated to Google for it.

nate

 

Subaru.

nate

 

Nothing a fire bottle system cant cure.