Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Dianelos Georgoudis, Oct 17, 2003.

  1. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

     
    Lloyd Parker, Oct 23, 2003
  2. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    Gravity is an established fact. Relativity is an established fact. Atoms are
    established fact. Evolution is an established fact. Global warming from (at
    least the largest source) human activities is an established fact.

    Tell me, do YOU keep up with the scientific literature?
     
    Lloyd Parker, Oct 23, 2003
  3. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    (5) Destroyed by the UN inspectors between 1991-2003, as was their job.
    And now the world demands Bush prove they exist, since he claimed they did.
     
    Lloyd Parker, Oct 23, 2003
  4. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    No, thinking you need 2 and a half tons to get room does.
     
    Lloyd Parker, Oct 23, 2003
  5. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    Then why do many smaller cars -- Volvos, Mercedes, etc. -- have better safety
    records and better safety reputations?

    And ask the hundreds of police officers killed by their CVs exploding and
    burning them to death about the car keeping you alive. No, wait, you can't,
    they're DEAD!
     
    Lloyd Parker, Oct 23, 2003
  6. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lloyd Parker Guest

    I had a 1972 Corolla that was an excellent entry-level car. Opel was also
    selling Kadetts and 1900s that were good cars.
     
    Lloyd Parker, Oct 23, 2003
  7. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Kevin Guest

    dirve with steel frame. Big fan, and heavy enough to keep you alive.
     
    Kevin, Oct 23, 2003
  8. Dianelos Georgoudis

    C. E. White Guest

    I can't speak to Vegas and Gremlins, but I did own a shiny new 1972 Pinto. The
    only import car in the same price range that was better in my opinion was the
    Datsun 510 (and it was more expensive). The low cost Toyotas available in the
    Eastern US in 1972 were low grade junk and too small inside besides. The VWs
    sold at that time were laugable. The 510 was a great little car. I probably
    would have bought one if there had been a dealer in my home town. The biggest
    problem the US companies had was their desire to not build low price cars that
    would take sales away from their other models.

    Ed
     
    C. E. White, Oct 23, 2003
  9. Dianelos Georgoudis

    rickety Guest

    istr that the story is when they are hit from the rear the fuel tank is
    prone to rupture and ignite the spillage. Kind of like a big Pinto.
     
    rickety, Oct 23, 2003
  10. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Brent P Guest

    The Crown Vic is extremely safe for the money. If cars that cost
    signficantly more and we are talking probably *THREE* times as much
    with the MB, it better have superior performance.

    Over the years, every time it was tested, the crown vic well exceeded
    crash standards. I'd rather be in a crown vic than many of these SUVs
    that's for sure.
    Hundreds? Hardly lloyd. But that sort of BS is typical of you. You've
    picked up alot of bad habbits from the sci.environment liberals.

    The number of *incidents* doesn't even crack 30. The number of *deaths*
    even lower. Then, keep in mind these cars were smacked at speeds in the
    neighborhood of 70 *seventy* miles per hour.

    So Parker, find a police vehicle with a significantly *BETTER* record
    with regards to incident rate than the crown vic. 29 incidents in over
    20 years and probably untold millions of miles is *NOTHING* statistically
    speaking.

    If you want to pay taxes to put all cops in MBs to give them a slight
    edge with regards to this low rate event, you can pay it. I have no
    desire to.
     
    Brent P, Oct 23, 2003
  11. Dianelos Georgoudis

    FDRanger92 Guest

    More like 50-70. The ones thar have exploded have been hit at very high
    speeds. Also when you hit cars that tend to have ammunition in the trunk you
    might just get a fire.
     
    FDRanger92, Oct 23, 2003
  12. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Brent P Guest

    Maybe to people like you who want the government controlling their lives
    or see themselves as the ones making the decisions for others.
     
    Brent P, Oct 23, 2003
  13. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Brent P Guest

    Only that it exists. There are alot of questions about gravity that
    remain unanswered. The fundamental one is why is it so much weaker
    than other basic forces.
    No it isn't, it's just the best we have at the momement to describe
    behaviors.
    Yet new shocking details of smaller and smaller particles are discovered
    rutinely that cause other ideas to re-evaluated. What exactly do you
    think they do with those accelerators if the facts are established?
    It is not a "fact". It's the best explaination we have at the moment.
    Gobal warming is nebulus term that is used to describe everything that
    occurs with climate. Thusly it can't be wrong. One part of the world is
    getting warmer? It's global warming. Another part of the world is getting
    colder? It's global warming. One critter flurishes, it's global warming.
    another critter is dying off, it's global warming. so on and so on. No
    matter what happens, it supports "global warming".

    "Global warming" isn't even well defined with regards to what it is and
    what it entails, let alone being an established fact. Of course it's hard
    to disprove something that isn't fixed in definition.
    I can tell you don't, even on a cursory level.

    Dr. Parker, you are the kind of "scienist" that stifles thought, new
    ideas, new ways of looking at things, and advancement. You are rigid
    in your thinking and believe if it wasn't what the establishment tought
    you it cannot be correct. 4 centuries ago you would have been one of
    those who went after galieo and others. Your idea of science is whatever
    is politically acceptable.
     
    Brent P, Oct 23, 2003
  14. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Brent P Guest

     
    Brent P, Oct 23, 2003
  15. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Dave C. Guest

    Name one that is a good value for the money. (I don't really expect a reply
    here) -Dave
     
    Dave C., Oct 23, 2003
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    Joe Guest

    Subaru (any model).

     
    Joe, Oct 23, 2003
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    Joe Guest

    "Lies, all a pack of lies."
    Lloyd, these are all BILL CLINTON statements... Are you saying that BILL
    CLINTON lied? I guess it depends on your definition of LIE...
     
    Joe, Oct 23, 2003
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    Vic Klein Guest

    Why the reputations are better is likely due to advertising strategy,
    but the facts tell a different story. Comparing actual death rates per
    million registered vehicle years shows the following data (IIHS.ORG):

    Mercedes C class = 52
    Volvo 850 - 39
    Ford Expedition 4WD = 39

    =Vic=
    Bear Gap, PA
     
    Vic Klein, Oct 23, 2003
  19. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Joe Guest

    I'd say "all" liberals are guilty of treason...

    http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=treason

    "Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the
    betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and
    purposely acting to aid its enemies. "

    Here's treason defined in Teddy Kennedy's (you know, the murdering liberal
    from MA) state:
    http://www.state.ma.us/legis/laws/mgl/264-1.htm
    "Treason against the commonwealth shall consist only in levying war against
    it, or in adhering to the enemies thereof, giving them aid and comfort; it
    shall not be bailable."
    Note the giving the enemy aid part...
    Punishable by LIFE in prison:
    http://www.state.ma.us/legis/laws/mgl/264-2.htm
     
    Joe, Oct 23, 2003
  20. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Joe Guest

    No, I WON'T do it because it's a rat hole... you beleive what you want.

    "there are facts supporting creationism."
    No to use the friends argument here but the greatest minds in the world all
    thought that the world was flat.
     
    Joe, Oct 23, 2003
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