Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers

Nothing wrong with "old" as long as it's still competitive.

GM should pinch just about everything. They actually make some of the best,
most cost-effective products available in their market segments--elsewhere.

--Aardwolf.

 

Models equipped with the performance running gear have been compared pretty
favorably to BMWs several times, and are about half the price in their domestic
market. The chassis is a pretty good one; it was further reinforced and revised
over the original Opel design back when Holden acquired it, and has been further
upgraded over the years.

--Aardwolf.

 

Not just the SUV owners--pretty much the entire world's fossil-fuel powered
infrastructure. :-/

Besides it produces some pretty nasty byproducts itself, when burned.

Well I'm a little more optimistic regarding the future of hydrogen, what with
the possibility of distributed generation, and the fact that its not persistent
in the environment, like natural gas is (hydrogen rises). The Hindenberg didn't
explode after all--just burned, even after the gas load went. Its problem was
that it was almost totally combustible--the main contibuting factor to the fire
was that it used a fabric dope that was made of powdered aluminum (to reflect
heat) and iron on a nitrocellulose base--i.e. the outer covering was basically
painted with a mixture of rocket fuel and guncotton! But I digress; Hindenberg
aside I've never yet heard of any large-scale hydrogen explosion. And it would
still need _some_ sort of electricity generating infrastructure for production,
anyway. If centralized it probably could not be made totally renewable at least
in the beginning.

--Aardwolf.

 

Thanks, Brent. That was a breath of fresh air in a really stinky thread.

Jack

 

1996 Chevrolet Caprice/Impala SS/Buick Roadmaster/Cadillac Fleetwood. The
Impala especially was never advertised but GM had orders for more than they
could build, they still sell for list price if in good shape.

Dodge for one seems to be betting otherwise. I guess time will tell.

Only because it's percieved as cool. Deeply tied in with the popular culture of
the moment, which, for consumer items at least, is largely controlled by
advertising--whether pitched directly, or through the entertainment media.

Doubtless the automakers are happy enough about it, they can charge based on
demand while building off tooling that was paid for twenty years ago.

--Aardwolf.

 

Mental midget. Typical right-winger.

 

So wanting room makes you a Luddite? You really only appear stupider every
time I read one of your posts.

Marc
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Personally, I think it is his stupidity. My politics overlap with his on
some issues, and he is one of the people you really don't want on your
side.

Marc
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CAFE for passenger vehicles should be the same for all passenger vehicle.
That seems to be a reasonable desire. I'd question why you want varying
CAFE for passenger vehicles depending on whether the rear seats fold flat.

Marc
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What are the average emissions for 1968 vehicles in good condition compared
to a 1 yr old 2003 car?

My guess is that you won't look. If you were to look you wouldn't find it.
If you found it, you would find that the 1968 vehicles do not put out 100
times the emissions.

Marc
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Didn't think of that, I've heard engines run cleaner at certain RPM ranges,
but it never really got through the brainpan.

 

But the discussion was about larger vehicles -- like older station
wagons and (true) full size sedans. None of these are practical for
more than nominally 5 people and in reality 4 people.

I grew up in the snowbelt off Lake Erie and have probably logged as much
time driving a 2wd car in in snow as anybody. Dropping into 4wd makes a
trip that was a pain into one that's easy. And, at the margin, there
are plenty of times when it can be the difference between going and not
going somewhere.

Given the chronically weak economy of the area, this may not be due to
their preferences.

 

I agree.

Your personal preferences and what will sell cars may be different. I
think having lots of 4x4 choices that aren't SUVs could shift the sales
toward more cars. In the case of people who tow things, the 4x4
guarantees rear wheel drive, which is a towing necessity.

 

You're failing to mention that many drivers in the U.S. have a necessity for
4X4 or AWD that has nothing to do with towing or even off-road driving. I
personally think it's a good idea for each family to have at least one
vehicle with all four wheels driven if they live in an area with REAL
winters. It doesn't have to be a truck or SUV, except that in the U.S.,
that would limit your choices to high-end luxury cars or smallish Subarus.
In other words, for families, you're pretty much stuck with an SUV. Damn
CAFE to hell. -Dave

 

Ain't democracy wonderful!

 

I remember what happened to the economy too. When that much money gets sucked
out of the economy and sent overseas, when industries shut down for lack of
fuel, ...

With ANWR?

We let China, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Israel, etc., have their way now. It
seems to depend on Bush's mood each day.

Yes it is. Read the scientific literature. Read the National Academy of
Sciences report. Read the IPCC report.

No, computer models are only used to try to predict what GW will be like in
the future. We know from data (CO2 is up, temp. is up) and basic scientific
principles (CO2 is produced by human activities, CO2 traps heat) what's
causing GW.

 

No, the why is entirely settled.

I teach facts and science, not right-wing political propaganda.

 

In 2003?

Based on US info that we now know was a bunch of lies.

Again, not in 2003.

Then where are they?

So where are those huge quantities? Where is the uranium? Where are those
drones that could deliver it all here?

Lies, all a pack of lies.

 

I suggest you read the constitution for is "treason" is.

 

You can't do it because there are none on your side. It's like someone
claiming there are facts supporting creationism.