Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers

Interesting. The best president ever was not a liberal (Reagan)... Much
like Unions, Liberals were useful at one time. Now their time has passed
and they won't die off quietly...

 

Brent,
Do not confront a liberal with facts... it confuses them.
Joe

 

"global warming is as established fact"
Fact? Every "fact" you post will be contradicted by an equally credible
fact from the other (correct) side...

 

Also sold in mid east countries as Chevrolets with left hand drive--in any case
they use totally U.S. drivetrains (engines/transmissions) and can easily pass
U.S. safety requirements as well. The new Pontiac GTO is a Holden Monaro coupe
with different badges. Thanks in large part to union interference GM-U.S. keeps
refusing to import any more mainline sedan models, but they'd doubtless eat all
of the domestic competition as it is now. They'd be 350-horsepower family
sedans for as little as $20K U.S.

The Commodore line and variants come with Corvette engines of up to 350
horsepower (or just over 400 for the HSV-modified versions) and can still touch
30mpg (U.S.) on the highway with a 6-speed overdrive--or they can be had with
smaller V6 powerplants. The long-wheelbase Statesman (mid east "Chevrolet
Caprice") would be a superb replacement for the last U.S. models of that name,
almost exactly the same size and layout, but incrementally improved (newer, even
more powerful engines, independent rear suspension, etc.).

I believe the top-line HSV GTS is already sold in the U.K. as a counter to the
BMW E5, and rumors keep popping up that one of the higher line Commodore models
(Calais most likely) might be introduced there as a replacement for the last
rear drive Opel Omegas.

--Aardwolf.

 

But every design and powertrain combination has to pass federal emissions
regulations testing before it is allowed to be sold. So all cars for that
year when new should meet that standard, and any of that year's models of
any age will when running within specifications. And it is measured in
grams per mile.

State emissions testing is not uniform--if extant at all--and also not as
rigorous as the initial new-model certification requirements.

--Aardwolf.

 

_Virtually_ indistinguishable--when both are _also_ compared to a gross polluter,
which puts out, by definition, far, far more than either.

--Aardwolf.

 

The 5.7L V8 is the latest descendant of the mighty Chevy smallblock 350ci.

they can be modified to over 1000 Hp and still be drivable streetlegal.

the 3.8 started as a USA GM engine, but a factory was built in Aussie and
R&D changed it, it doesn't interchange well with stock USA GM parts that
well now, but theres plenty of support in Aussie for them. the 5L and 5.7L
are stock Chevys from Chevs plants in the states. plenty of parts if they
bring Holdens stateside.

rhys

 

And more drilling ain't gonna be enough to help once India and China (at a
billion plus inhabitants a piece) become modern, G7-style industrial nations.
Which they're just about to do.

--Aardwolf.

 

About that much of the 2x4 and 4x4 timber but not the sheets on the top...

damn stupid chap that. cheaper to hire a U-Haul than replace a car.

rhys

 

Doubtless also beause of their occupants.

--Aardwolf.

 

Not a bad thing in the U.S.A. Because even if that happened, none of them
would still have to be as large as something like a '73 Imperial.

I disagree--to an extent. As I've said before, people will buy what they're
told they want. If there were a lot of Magnum-type wagons and sedans that
actually had some real style and to them--AND available AWD, and more to the
point if there was actually advertising to explain to people how kick-ass they
thought they were, I'll bet there would be a large shift away from suddently
stodgy, ill handling trucks. Sure a number of people would still buy trucks
to haul stuff around, and some might still want some for image--they always
have, even pre-Dukes of Hazzard, but Navigators and Envoys and Escalades?
They'd be gone.

--Aardwolf.

 

obvious.

Another gross generalization. That's why folks call you on this kind
of drivel.

You and Judy and Carl Taylor, and sundry other clueless folks share
the same trait actually.

This frightens me. Why are concepts so obvious to

When folks with a very good grasp of driving dynamics, car control,
and physics (not to mention the fact that they have tens of thousands
of miles in SUVs that don't fit into your strident little pidgeon
hole) know that your gross generalizations are silly, you should start
questioning your assumptions, lest you continue to be lumped in with
the clueless trolls.

It's apparently not helping your thought proccesses in the least bit.

Try something different.

 

Maybe because 'being safe' includes 4x4 capability for bad weather.

 

1. No 4x4 (a factor wherever it snows)
2. Those old beasts delivered around 12 mpg.

If you claim that point 2 is negated by modern technology, everything
I've seen with seriously higher gas mileage is front wheel drive and is
therefore worthless as a towing vehicle.

 

Couldn't hurt to try it once particularly if you get a free retest. I know
the one in my Ranger is kind of a pain in the buttocks to get to. I even put
a lower gear set in the rear end two years ago and it still passes w/ flying
colors. It even improved MPG which never made any sense to me. I figured it
would go the other way.

 

Called me the KKK contingent once. Hurt my feelings. ;-)

 

that's pretty impressive, you being a whole contingent !!

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

: Called me the KKK contingent once. Hurt my feelings. ;-)
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: : > I won't deny we have had a few run-ins in the past, but he hasn't called
: me
: > an idiot / claimed I haven't attended school / recommended I learn some
: > science yet, so no unpleasantness so far !
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: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
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: > : > : If you had the audacity to disagree with him you sure did.
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: > : : > : > Did I insult you Lloyd ?
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: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
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: > : > : >Godwin's law - proposed addendum:
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: > : > : >"unfavourable reference to Saddaam Hussein or Bin Laden shall be
: > : treated
: > : > in
: > : > : >the same manner as if it were a reference to Hitler."
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: > : > : Parker's law -- insult me and liberals, don't whine about getting
: > : insulted
: > : > : back. Stones, glass houses, and all that.
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Shhh - don't give the SUV owners nightmares.

Using oil as a motor vehicle fuel is totally unsupportable in the long run.
What is
ultimately going to happen is the price of gas will be driven so high that
it will
eclipse the cost of going electric, and that will be the end of the internal
combusion
engine in passenger cars. Alcohol is not an answer, there's not enough
biomass
production in the country to produce the fuel needed. The choices are going
to
be electric generation plants powered by coal, or nuclear, both of which the
greens hate, powering the majority of passenger cars, probably with a few
hardy souls running off natural gas.

But of course you can't tell the SUV owners this, they think that we are all
going
to be burning hydrogen in our cars. Just wait until they find out that no
city of
any appreciable population density is going to permit a gas station that
contains
10,000 gallons of compressed hydrogen stored in tanks anywhere in the city
limits,
where an exploson will remove about 10 blocks from the tax rolls.

Ted

 

Your the one that is bitching about allowing morons on the road
because their children will be punished if they can't drive. Yet your
now opposing one of the few mechanisms that we have to keep the
morons off the road, which is making vehicle ownership more
expensive? I guess you don't realize that most of the morons
in the country don't happen to be that wealthy. (save the morons
in the White House and Congress, of course)

Ted

 

Like I said, the emissions are only soot. Amounts are falling. Proper
catalysts are on the way.

The other key toxins (oxides of nitrogen and sulfur) are gone.

DAS
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