Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Dianelos Georgoudis, Oct 17, 2003.

  1. Dianelos Georgoudis

    z Guest

    Interesting syllogism.
    Most climatologists, geologists, etc. agree with the general concept
    of manmade global warming, though disagree on details, and this model
    and its implications are an issue to leftists (among others).;
    Leftists demonstrate against corporations.
    Therefore, climatologists, geologists, etc. who find results that
    support manmade global warming are politically motivated.
     
    z, Dec 8, 2003
  2. Dianelos Georgoudis

    z Guest

    UnGodly one, knowest thou not thy Scripture?

    In the heavens hath the Lord set a tabernacle for the sun, which is
    like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, rejoicing as a giant in
    running his course. His going forth is from the high heaven, and his
    circuit unto the ends of it.
    Psalms 19:4

    The world also is established that it cannot be moved.
    Psalms 93:7

    The sun rises and sets and returns to his own place.
    Ecclesiastes 1:5

    And the sun stood still and the moon stayed, until the nation took
    vengeance on their enemies.
    Joshua 10:12
     
    z, Dec 8, 2003
  3. Dianelos Georgoudis

    z Guest



    Perhaps you should enlighten the folks at the GAO regarding your
    little fairy tale.
    'Since its inception in 1977, the New Source Review (NSR) Program—one
    of the Clean Air Act's (CAA) key mechanisms for maintaining air
    quality to protect public health—has prevented the emission of
    millions of tons of harmful pollutants. It has done so by requiring
    newly built industrial facilities, and existing industrial facilities
    undergoing major modifications to equipment or operating procedures,
    to install modern air pollution controls.1The Congress allowed
    existing facilities to defer installation of such controls until a
    major modification was made with the expectation that, over time, all
    facilities would install such equipment, and this would lead to lower
    overall emissions.'
     
    z, Dec 8, 2003
  4. Dianelos Georgoudis

    z Guest

    Sigh. See, the problem is that the industry, and now with Bush
    backing, want your scenarios 1 2 and 3 to all put out the same crap as
    scenario 1. Which is not hardly 'better for the environment'.
    see, if the owners modernizing the plants actually made them 'better
    for the environment', they wouldn't be trying to evade having to meet
    tests that would prove whether they are better for the environment,
    would they?
     
    z, Dec 8, 2003
  5. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Dan Gates Guest

    No, that is not what I said. The College of Physicians and Surgeons
    gets together with the Ministry of Health and decides what are "Covered
    Services". This would be anything that is deemed medically necessary
    and effective. So if you had cancer and needed treatment, and studies
    proper studies had been performed which proved therapy X worked, it
    would be covered. If you decided that you needed magic mushrooms from
    Mexico, it would not be covered, even if you cousin's girlfriend's aunt
    said it cured her. It includes regular physicals, not more than
    annually, if you have no outstanding conditions, it does not include
    dental work, except in an emergency, or eyeglass prescriptions. Most of
    us also have to pay for our own pharmaceuticals, unless you are on
    welfare or over 65.

    Once a service is listed as a "covered service", you cannot charge for
    that service. "Beauty Enhancement" surgery is not covered, accident
    reconstruction is covered. There is a whole list.

    In most provinces (it is a federal mandate, administered by the
    provinces, and funded by both federal and provincial governments), there
    is no "outside system", some pay-per-service clinics are being set up in
    some provinces, but being challenged in the courts.
    I think that sports franchises "donate" certain equipment to local
    hospitals so that their players can be diagnosed immediately. The local
    population benefits because the equipment is available for general use
    most of the time. Franchises also have their own doctors on salary, so
    there is no issue about them going to the "front of the line" in the
    public system.

    If you have a "bum knee" that you got playing football in university and
    decide it is time to have it looked at, you will get a replacement when
    it is your turn. If you are injured today and cannot walk for your
    work, but need to, you will get put further up the line, because you are
    more "needy" of the service. You might still have to wait, but not
    nearly as long as the recreational replacement!

    Dan
     
    Dan Gates, Dec 8, 2003
  6. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Brent P Guest

    If environmentalists were about protecting the environment they wouldn't
    oppose every new cleaner source of energy that comes along.

    That aside, companies wouldn't modernize a plant unless there was
    a return on investment. That return is more electicity at the same or
    lower cost.

    How does the company reduce costs? Well I know they don't do it with
    burning more fuel than they have to.
     
    Brent P, Dec 8, 2003
  7. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lon Stowell Guest

    Roughly 12/8/03 11:51, Brent P's monkeys randomly typed:
     
    Lon Stowell, Dec 8, 2003
  8. Dianelos Georgoudis

    z Guest


    Because currently the US is not only the world's worst offendor in
    terms of global warming emissions, but also the one with the most
    resources to do something about it.
    And because this picture of CO2 emission regulation being the deciding
    factor in the movement of jobs overseas is just silly, given that the
    process is proceeding as fast as possible anyway.
     
    z, Dec 8, 2003
  9. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lon Stowell Guest

    Roughly 12/2/03 10:23, John S's monkeys randomly typed:
     
    Lon Stowell, Dec 8, 2003
  10. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lon Stowell Guest

    Roughly 12/8/03 11:51, Brent P's monkeys randomly typed:
     
    Lon Stowell, Dec 8, 2003
  11. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lon Stowell Guest

    Roughly 12/8/03 12:07, z's monkeys randomly typed:

    ....doubtful.
     
    Lon Stowell, Dec 8, 2003
  12. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lon Stowell Guest

    Roughly 12/1/03 10:56, David J. Allen's monkeys randomly typed:

    ...very likely not.
     
    Lon Stowell, Dec 8, 2003
  13. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Dan Gates Guest


    Trimming is nice, but to what are you replying?

    Dan
     
    Dan Gates, Dec 8, 2003
  14. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lon Stowell Guest

    Roughly 12/8/03 15:12, Bill Putney's monkeys randomly typed:

    No.
     
    Lon Stowell, Dec 8, 2003
  15. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Bill Putney Guest

    Hmmm - do you think it might have something to do with resource
    depletion due to having to treat *ILLEGAL* *ALIENS*!?

    Bill Putney
    (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    address with "x")
     
    Bill Putney, Dec 8, 2003
  16. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Bill Putney Guest

    You're painting with a pretty broad brush, and the example you gave is
    pretty extreme and atypical - so atypical, that one has to wonder why
    you bring it up. I think the pendulum has swung plenty far in the other
    extreme in the recent past - to the point where *THAT* has gotten pretty
    disgusting. There is a reasonable balance.

    Bill Putney
    (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    address with "x")
     
    Bill Putney, Dec 8, 2003
  17. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lon Stowell Guest

    Roughly 12/8/03 15:20, Bill Putney's monkeys randomly typed:
    Probably not.
     
    Lon Stowell, Dec 8, 2003
  18. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Bill Putney Guest

    Pretty laughable. So if you yourself ever refer to the sun as setting
    or rising, then by your own example, that means that you believe that
    the the earth is stationary relative to the universe?

    Ever hear of "relative postion" and "relative velocity" (which are the
    terms that human beings commonly refer to their own position or velocity
    without even realizing it)? I bet you even talk about driving your car
    at, say "55 mph", when in reality, that's only one component in the
    combination of linear and angular velocities that you are doing relative
    to the earth *PLUS* the earth's velocity relative to the universe. So,
    again, by giving speed and position references relative to the earth,
    you must be implying that the earth is staionary in the universe and
    that the sun moves around the earth. I bet you even refer to people as
    "standing still".

    I won't even get into figurative and prophetic language.

    Say what you will to elevate man's "wisdom" above God's, the Word of God
    will be standing when your human logic is long gone.

    Bill Putney
    (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
    address with "x")
     
    Bill Putney, Dec 8, 2003
  19. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lon Stowell Guest

    Roughly 12/8/03 15:54, Bill Putney posted to the thread nobody
    gives a sh*t about:
    Heh heh, guffaw, snort, snicker.
     
    Lon Stowell, Dec 8, 2003
  20. Dianelos Georgoudis

    Lon Stowell Guest

    Roughly 12/8/03 15:54, Bill Putney continued posting on the thread from
    hell:
    And may I say, that is charitable of you.
     
    Lon Stowell, Dec 8, 2003
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