Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers

Nope. Not at all.

DS

 

I know the definition of a slippery slope argument, but you didn't explain how
that definition was met.

 

I doubt it. If you did, you'd recognise such arguments on sight.

DS

 

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Don't suppose you can tell us where we can verify the claim of "most folks
with credentials?"

It's validity doesn't need to be bolstered.

....If love is all that is needed to allow a class to marry. Now THERE is
a slippery slope.

 

In order to show that a conclusion is unacceptable, a sequence of
increasingly unacceptable events is shown to follow from the
conclusion. I do note that you couldn't show why you thought it was
a slippery slope, but rather accused me of not knowing what a
slippery slope is instead.

 

Greg () wrote:
Subject: Re: Global Warming - a Liberal Scam?, (was Huge study about
safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers)

Americans are now spending over $5,000 per capita on healthcare, more
than double what is spent in Canada, or any other country, and that's
with like 40% of the people not belonging to any health plan. What
makes you think we would 'spend *AT LEAST* that much in additional
taxes'?

Because there are no expenses for HMO marketing, competing redundant
HMO bureaucracies (if you think the government bureaucracy is bad
you're not familiar with HMOs), huge executive salaries, dividends and
profits for shareholders, money to cover investment losses (a big
factor in the current sudden rise in insurance costs, or didn't you
know that that's what insurance companies and HMOs do with your
money?); because providers don't have to spend significant chunks of
their highly expensive time filling out various and sundry varieties
of reimbursement forms; because there are no random deliberate or
accidental routine nonpayments of bills that should be paid, requiring
a repeat of the reimbursement process; because a huge health plan has
the market muscle to wrestle low charges from providers, who then
charge correspondingly more for smaller plans and charge the maximum
for individuals paying out of pocket. (Or did you have no idea the
discount your health plan, if you have one, gets from the amount you
see on your hospital bill?)
Of course, that explains why Medicare gets the lowest rates in the US,
and is one of the most successful plans in terms of patient
satisfaction, as well as being the only health plan in the US whose
members get care that's at or near the top rank of the industrialized
nations. Ironic, because of course it is, of course, state-run
healthcare.

Well, yeah, good to see it's dawning on you.
The famous JAMA 7/26/2000 paper points out that the US doesn't have
such bad habits as to put it at the bottom of the barrel for health
care outcomes; we're the 5th best and 3rd best for smoking for females
and males, 5th best for alcohol consumption, fifth best in consumption
of animal fats and third best for cholesterol level, for instance. And
deaths from unnatural causes, like getting shot or car accidents, are
not included. So, if we rank at the bottom of healthcare measures of
quality without ranking at the bottom for lifestyle causes, it's hard
to escape the implication that we are just not getting the best or
most appropriate care, regardless of price.
But enough about me and what I know; what evidence do you have that
you are getting the best care in the industrialized world, or even
average care for the industrialized world, other than your deep-seated
belief that anything else would be just too unthinkable to even
consider?

 

If, by "have" you mean "beget", you're right.
However, couples that can't beget children can still have children in
their family.

 

Are you posting from the jeep newsgroup?

 

Very good.

And that is exactly what is embodied by: "Gay marriage?! Sure, and what's
next? Marriages with three people? Adults marrying kids? People marrying
their dogs? People marrying the tree in their back yard? People marrying
their torque wrench! Layers of the onion, the leftist liberal crowd always
claims they'll stop with this one, but they keep peeling the layers away,
dont' tell me it's not happening".

DS

 

American Psychological Association, American Psychiatric Association,
American Medical Association, government of Ontario, government of Canada,
government of Germany, government of Holland...and there are many, many
more.

Well, if you hope to use it to support your argument, you're going to have
to back it up *somehow*, and simply repeating it doesn't get the job done.

DS

 

Apparently not, see Harvey Milk Public High School, City of New York. It is a
separate public high school for gay students only. Interesting that the gay
lobby only feels like latching on to the civil rights crusade to receive equal
treatment when it is most convenient.

First we hear that gay people need to be married, because they need to be
treated like anyone else, than we hear that they need separate schools, unlike
anyone else.

And just try not hiring any job applicant with that school on his/her resumé and
try to claim that you aren't discriminating on sexuality.

 

Don't be so sure.

" Medicare, the nation's largest purchaser of health care, pays hospitals and doctors
a fixed sum to treat a specific diagnosis or perform a given procedure, regardless of
the quality of care they provide. Those who work to improve care are not paid extra,
and poor care is frequently rewarded, because it creates the need for more procedures
and services."
.. . .
" "Right now, Medicare's payment system is at best neutral and, in some cases,
negative, in terms of quality — we think that is an untenable situation," said Glenn
M. Hackbarth, the chairman of the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission, an independent
panel of economists, health care executives and doctors that advises Congress on such
issues as access to care, quality and what to pay health care providers." New York
Times 5 Dec 2003 Friday Section A; Page 1; Column 1

http://tinyurl.com/y1t7 [NY Times, no registration needed]

(According to Lloyd, the NY Times would be a right wing rag, I'm sure, lol).

Despite the problems, some don't want them fixed:
"Keep Your Hands Off Our Medicare!" -Senator Ted Kennedy (D, Mass)

Japan has one of the highest smoking rates in the world (greater than US per capita),
but its smoking related diseases are lower than the US. So there are other factors
involved. The US leads the world in obesity, a country where even poor people have so
much to eat that they are overweight. Lack of exercise is also a major concern.
Fortunately both of these are personal lifestye choices for all of us that are
physically capable to do so.

I know that the care I have received has been excellent and have no problems to
report. When my father needed care, his HMO provided him with a superior heart
procedure at a Boston hospital that was invented there.

 

These people say that the definition of homosexuals and heterosexuals differs
from the standard definitions presented below?

heterosexual 1 a : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct
sexual desire toward the opposite sex b : of, relating to, or involving sexual
intercourse between individuals of opposite sex

homosexual 1 : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual
desire toward another of the same sex
2 : of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between persons of the same
sex

Definitions of Merriam-Webster.

 

So now instead of being "registered partners" they'll get married.
--
Brandon Sommerville
remove ".gov" to e-mail

Definition of "Lottery":
Millions of stupid people contributing
to make one stupid person look smart.

 

Children are impossible in a gay marriage. They are not impossible in
a sibling marriage.
--
Brandon Sommerville
remove ".gov" to e-mail

Definition of "Lottery":
Millions of stupid people contributing
to make one stupid person look smart.

 

So you're playing a semantics game. It is possible for a lesbian
couple to have a child while married without any adultery involved.
Therefore the couple can have children.
--
Brandon Sommerville
remove ".gov" to e-mail

Definition of "Lottery":
Millions of stupid people contributing
to make one stupid person look smart.

 

it seemed that way, from what was written...
"What you *don't* get is the right to skip to the head of the line
because you've got more disposable income if you need or want a
non-critical procedure."

This seems to be saying that you can't get faster service even if you
pay for it.
But if doctors can work outside the system, why can't you get service
faster by paying more?

 

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Then why ban gay, sibling marriages, or marriages between sterilized siblings where
children are impossible?

 

Uh - no. If I were playing a semantics game, I would not have put the
word "have" in quotes nor would I have emphasized *my* meaning when I
used the word with the words "biologically" and "bioliogical" several
times. Had I wanted to use semantics tricks, I would have left it
ambiguous to trick those menatlly asleep at the wheel that my claim
which was false for one meaning and true for the second meaning was true
for both - that's a typical Lloyd trick, and I don't play those
intellectually dishonest games.

However, I will say that if someone said "Did you know that Anne and Jim
had a baby last week", any normal person would know (assume is too weak
a word in this case) that what was meant was that there was a baby born
and that Anne and Jim were the (biological) parents. Only an idiot
would assume that Anne had had an affair, and that someone besides Jim
was the father (even if that were indeed the case, clearly the meaning
by the statement was not that).

So for the 3rd or 4th time, no - a lesbian couple cannot have a baby in
the sense that normal, reasonable, intelligent people use the word
"have" in the context of babies.

Bill Putney
(to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with "x")

 

Why is this shit in the car groups?