Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers

I'd rather require people to learn how to drive than to mask the problem
by attacking the vehicle.


Matt

 

Fact: Most dangerous vehicle to drive in north america: compact 4 door
car.

 

The US today enjoys the benefit of geography, that's the only
difference. If Mexico were Palestine or Afghanistan, the southern
states would be the battlefield of a 50 year war. Instead you have the
luxury of defending that boarder with a hand full of border patrol
guards in guess what? SUVs. By the way, the only one I see trying to
take over numerous other countries like Hitler did, is from Texas.

Show me how the numbers have decreased since the spending has increased.

Again and again.

 

Personally I don't think any of these statistics hold water anyway, but
I thought I should point out that even the quoted statistics didn't
support the argument of the people quoting them. That happens when you
press the send button without reading I guess.

 

That trucks, even those like the ML55 AMG, still handle like trucks.

Next time I'll try to use smaller words so you can understand.

Marc
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"A little security in an insecure world." And that is just the first that
popped into my mind. No, there has never been one where they said "our
truck is safer than cars," but there have been plenty that play up the idea
that they are "safe."

Marc
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Yes.

Please post the specific statistics you are referring to so that we all may
read them. So far, all of them posted indicate that SUVs are less safe.
You seem to disagree, so I'd like to see what statistics you have to
support your opinion.

Marc
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And with a greatly reduced passenger compartment, it is much easier in "the
next similar crash" for the compartment to compress in a slightly different
manner and crush the driver.

The current general consensus is that you want the vehicle outside of the
passenger compartment to crush as much as possible, but you want the space
within to crush the least possible. Why? Well, in a much slower crash,
you are going to lose your use of the doors much more quickly with a
vehicle that can't keep the compartment together. Some anti-seatbelt nuts
claim that you are safer if you go in water to not be wearing a seatbelt,
but the greatest single factor is the doors. If they are jammed shut from
impact, then the people inside are much more likely to drown (the
government has claimed that you are more likely to drown in a car if you
aren't wearing a seatbelt because the injuries are more extensive initially
and impair the ability to successfully execute an egress from the vehicle,
but I 've not seen any actual numbers to support this).

Also, if you get 20% compression at this specific energy level and the
Impreza compressed less, at double the energy, the compression should be
roughly double again. That would mean that you would be squashed in the
Chevy, but still have a little space left in the Subaru.

Marc
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No. Just a simple comparison to show that, though the ignorant often
blindly claim the opposite, trucks are not necessarily safer than cars.

Marc
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Then you thought wrong. I never said any such thing. There is an
advantage when you strike a lighter vehicle and a disadvantage when
striking a heavier vehicle. I've never said anything to contradict that.

But then, if you can't attack the message, attack the messenger. That's
all you have left, since the facts are opposite all your claims.

Marc
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Or maybe the safety per mile they see is because they travel a larger
portion of their miles on controlled access roads? But then, it doesn't
appear that critical thinking is your forte.

Marc
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In Europe trucks travel the same roads as everyone else..
--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

: >
: >> >> The same could be said of practically any motor vehicle, even a geo
: >> >> metro.
: >> >>
: >> >>
: >> >Yes but with the metro you would not have the extra weight which
: >> >generates more momentum
: >>
: >> And with the large SUV, you will be unable to avoid crashes, as your
boat
: >> handles like a brick (or is that, "your brick handles like a boat"?).
: >>
: >And yet 20,000 pound 18 wheelers do it every day. Isn't that odd. Must
: >be the extra wheels. Or maybe it's the amphetamines.
:
: Or maybe the safety per mile they see is because they travel a larger
: portion of their miles on controlled access roads? But then, it doesn't
: appear that critical thinking is your forte.
:
: Marc
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Look who's NOT on top, your beloved SUV's. Large cars and minivans,
both of which represent a lesser threat to other drivers are on top. So
you can choose more safety for you, your family AND all the other
drivers on the road, or you can choose an SUV.

Lisa

 

The EPA estimates city mileage to be between 10 and 15 for full-size
pickups. From my driving experience, I think that the EPA numbers are high
for city and low for highway, at least for my driving style. My
brother-in-law's F-350 gets 6 mpg city and 8mpg highway, but most of the
time it was on the highway, it was towing something.

The full sized trucks and SUVs that are three-quarter ton or smaller all
have city mileage from 10-15 and highway mileage from 15-19. The one-tons
(trucks only, I know of now SUVs with that title) and some of the "heavy
duty" 3/4 ton ones are of sufficient GVWR that they do not get listed with
the EPA as passenger vehicles and are worse for mileage, but they aren't as
easy to look up for all of them in one place.

Marc
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Nonsense. I'm definitely liberal, or beyond, and I strongly support
tougher licensing requirements.

I think that a lot of us know that the real problem isn't so much the
SUV's themselves, but SOME of the people who drive them. The people who
don't understand, or don't care, that their vehicle does not have the
turning or stopping ability of a road car. The people who take 2 spaces
in a crowded parking lot because they can't operate their vehicle well
enough to fit in 1 space. The not too good driver, normally (and
wisely) timid who suddenly becomes super confident. Oh, I could go on
an on.

Lisa

 

But these points are totally irrelevant as they apply to all vehicles !

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

The people who take 2 spaces
: in a crowded parking lot because they can't operate their vehicle well
: enough to fit in 1 space. The not too good driver, normally (and
: wisely) timid who suddenly becomes super confident. Oh, I could go on
: an on.
:
: Lisa

 

Next time you might not want to say "would actually beat a LARGE number
of cars" when trying to make a point about the poor handling of trucks.
You might come off looking like an idiot or something.

 

And they are. Truth in advertising works.

 

I just did Marc. Seems that the very statistics that started this
thread show that you are TWICE as likely to be killed driving a small
car than in a large SUV and FOUR TIMES more likely to die in a small car
than a minvan. If you are going to selectively read pieces of
informationt hat support your delusion and ignore everything else they I
guess I'll have to kill file you with the rest of the contumacious
illiterates here.

 

What the hell are you talking about now Marc? There were over 400,000
crashes with this type of vehicle last year.