Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers

Your ignorance is mind boggling. Or maybe your sense of humour is just
to high brow for the rest of us.

 

That's one man's opinion. Seems to me that the more measures that are
taken against terrorists, the more they attack. Case in point: Israel.

 

We already know this works in Europe, and you'll still have a handful of
wealthy people driving extra large SUVs so you won't go wanting for
something to whine about.

 

There is a reason you can't double the price of gas overnight, the US
economy would crash and take many others with it. So I wouldn't worry
about these enviro terrorists destroying the country just yet, the
government is probably coming to get them in a black Chevy Suburban
right now.

 

There has to be a balance in all this. You can micromanage all costs so
that no-one has one penny advantage over anyone else, but eventually,
and very quickly, you reach the point of diminishing returns.

By that I mean that the mechanisms and government beaurocracies... uh,
beurocracies... uh bu**sh** that have to be set up to manage and
micromanage everything is a net loss to society, government grows
bigger, and the average citizen becomes resentful of the overhead costs
(taxes) and intrusive visibilty by those administering all the crap into
their lives (kind of like Europe).

I think we've already surpassed that point in many areas (and it's only
going to get worse). There's something to be said for letting the costs
inherent in any given decision or path take care of themselves. Yeah -
maybe it's not 100% fair, but is it fair to drag the whole of society
down with all the costs and intrusion (i.e., fair to the point of
bringing everyone down to the same level of intense misery)?

Bill Putney
(to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with "x")

 

Food is taxed in some states.

 

A good roll cage will run along the floor as well as up and over
the driver. I don't think it's uncommon to also bolt the seat
to the roll cage, but I may be mistaken. In any case, the cage puts
a structure of tublar steel around the driver that is stronger than
anything one would find in any mass-produced production vehicle.

 

Nah - the liberals would *never* allow that. Can't you hear their
reasoning now: "By keeping an incompetent driver off the road, you would
in effect be punishing his/her innocent children. Therefore it would be
better to let the incompetent parents continue to drive without
restriction. A few more people might be killed as a result, but at
least the innocent children would not be punished."

Bill Putney
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address with "x")

 

Repeating what I put in another post, the liberals would *never* allow
that. Can't you hear their reasoning now: "By keeping an incompetent
driver off the road, you would in effect be punishing his/her innocent
children. Therefore it would be better to let the incompetent parents
continue to drive without restriction. A few more people might be
killed as a result, but at least the innocent children would not be
punished."

Bill Putney
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address with "x")

 

And yet, people buy those 30+ mpg fleas, thinking they are good enough to
avoid all those big, bad SUVs. The junk yards are full of such cars. >

And the hospitals and graveyards are filled with their drivers.

 

SUVs get 8mpg. Ya that's a good generalization. Keep'em coming.

My '01 V8 Grand Cherokee get's 23+. They sell pretty well, don't you think?

 

you get my point though.

--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

: In article <%7ykb.2560$>, Dave Milne
wrote:
: > Let's tax fat people because they consume too much food which is
delivered
: > in large trucks which drive up pollution ... Had it occured to you that
: > Billy Bob needs that truck to supply a service to you ?
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: Food is taxed in some states.
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I've never understood the US attitude towards children - they seem to be
sacred until they get to 18, when the electric chair beckons

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

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: Dave Milne wrote:
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: > I'd rather incompetents were banned full stop.
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: Repeating what I put in another post, the liberals would *never* allow
: that. Can't you hear their reasoning now: "By keeping an incompetent
: driver off the road, you would in effect be punishing his/her innocent
: children. Therefore it would be better to let the incompetent parents
: continue to drive without restriction. A few more people might be
: killed as a result, but at least the innocent children would not be
: punished."
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: Bill Putney
: (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
: address with "x")
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As is yours - mine is no less valid.

Opposite side case in point: U.S today. Another opposite side case in
point: Hitler.

One would have to be an idiot to think that the way to fight willful
murderers is to do nothing so that you don't antagonize them. The way
to get rid of murderers is to get rid of them - not let them continue to
kill at will unencumbered. You don't try to reason with them or
negotiate with them.

It seems ridiculous to have to state the obvious, but I guess with some
people, it's necessary.

Bill Putney
(to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
address with "x")

 

Yep, and I own two minivans and a pickup, but not for reasons of safety.
I also ride a motorcycle when weather permits and they typically don't
fair nearly as well safety-wise, but are great from a fuel mileage
perspective.


Matt

 

Another consideration is that these are averages across a class of
vehicles and I'll bet a steak dinner that the ranges within a given
class are quite large and likely much larger than the differences
between the classes. What really matters is YOUR vehicle, not a class
average in any event.

Matt

 

Not even close. I don't even think the Hummer gets mileage that low.


Matt

 

Not that simple. Nothing is utterly fair. Taxing gas is unfair to
people who live in rural areas and need to drive longer distances on
average. Just like subsidizing urban mass transit with general tax
revenues is unfair to rural people who don't need such systems. No tax
scheme is ever completely fair, that is just life.


Matt

 

Not if the polution standards are based on grams per mile, which I
believe they are. The tailpipe sniffer doesn't care how much gas you
put in, only how much pollution per mile you put out. These are
independent issues.


Matt

 

Very few crashes, at least in the US, are related to the handling
capabilities of the vehicle. They are more often related to the driver
being drunk, asleep, going to fast for conditions, etc. I'd ve very
surprised if changing the weight of vehicles had any measureable safety
impact.


Matt