Huge study about safety can be misinterpreted by SUV drivers

Jeepers · Dec 4, 2003

The Ancient One said:

Yes I have. I also have friends in Canada, England, Scotland, Japan and
Germany, and I have discussed their "free" healthcare with them many times.
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So?

Jeepers · Dec 4, 2003

The Ancient One said:

For a local example just look at the VA hospitals.
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Your Point?

Jeepers · Dec 4, 2003

Dan Gates said:

You are correct about the changes that you made to my numbers. I wasn't
making them up though. I was looking at an "Appendix 2" of a document
that had the numbers in it that I quoted. I can't figure out how they
came up with the first numbers I used. When looking up some further
documentation I did discover that "Appendix 1" had numbers more in
keeping with your corrections. My numbers are for '98, '99 though.

Thanks

Dan
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So?

David J. Allen · Dec 4, 2003

Bill Putney said:

Exactly. Or maybe the more cogent response would be "Because a same-sex
relationship is, by definiton, not marriage since marriage is defined as
a certain relationship between opposite-sex couples".

In the same way that, if someone were to ask "Why isn't cutting down a
tree not murder", you would answer "Because cutting down a tree is not
murder" (to use your straw-man circular argument), or perhaps "Because
the word 'murder' is defined as the killing of a human being; trees are
not human beings; therefore cutting down a tree is not murder", and any
reasonable person would get it because they know that the word "murder"
has a meaning in the English language, and so does "marriage".
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Traditional marriage with it's meaningfulness for families (read children)
serves a meaningful purpose to the benefit of all of us, which is providing
a stable place for children to be raised to be production members of
society. It ADDS to society. Gay marriage does what? It allows gay
couples the benefits of marriage (inheretence, insurance, etc.) but serves
no other useful purpose to society. And NO I'm NOT arguing against marriage
for childless couples.

I don't really even buy the argument that there are benefits gay couples
can't have without marriage. To me, it's part of an agenda to normalize
gays in society in every way, that being the end, not that there's an end or
purpose for gay marriage itself. When we devalue the family unit then
marriage becomes less relevent and it doesn't really matter who or what you
marry and the argument devolves to "rights" rather than benefit to society.
This shouldn't be a civil rights argument.

The Ancient One · Dec 4, 2003

Jeepers said:

times.

So?
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He asked, I answered, that's the way it works. Your one word post simply
created a new post to answer your post, and so it continues. Hope you're
happy now.

The Ancient One · Dec 4, 2003

Jeepers said:

Your Point?
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Government control of healthcare results in poorer healthcare than private
control, but then you knew that already.

Nick N · Dec 4, 2003

Please stop your crossposting! This has gone on to long!

David J. Allen · Dec 4, 2003

vlj said:

Marriage started out as a property rite of ancient societies. It was then
co-opted by the church(es). Then governments got into the act when the
church was no longer one in the same as the government.

Sticking to a dogmatic ritual that had its roots in protection of property
and bloodlines when the involved had little say or choice in the matter and
then foist that definition on everyone at large in today's society is most
medieval ...
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Sounds like the first lecture in Feminism 101. Talk about dogma! The
purpose of marriage, even to patriarchal societies, is still vital for the
purpose of raising children.

Mike Romain · Dec 4, 2003

Please stop abusing groups with your cross posts.

Mike

Mike Romain · Dec 4, 2003

Please stop abuisng groups with your cross posts.

Mike

Mike Romain · Dec 4, 2003

Please stop abusing groups with your cross posts.

Mike

Mike Romain · Dec 4, 2003

Please stop abusing groups with your cross posts.

Mike

Mike Romain · Dec 4, 2003

Please stop abusing groups with your cross posts.

Mike

FrankW · Dec 4, 2003

Stop cross posting!!!!!!!

Traditional marriage with it's meaningfulness for families (read children)
serves a meaningful purpose to the benefit of all of us, which is providing
a stable place for children to be raised to be production members of
society. It ADDS to society. Gay marriage does what? It allows gay
couples the benefits of marriage (inheretence, insurance, etc.) but serves
no other useful purpose to society. And NO I'm NOT arguing against marriage
for childless couples.

I don't really even buy the argument that there are benefits gay couples
can't have without marriage. To me, it's part of an agenda to normalize
gays in society in every way, that being the end, not that there's an end or
purpose for gay marriage itself. When we devalue the family unit then
marriage becomes less relevent and it doesn't really matter who or what you
marry and the argument devolves to "rights" rather than benefit to society.
This shouldn't be a civil rights argument.
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Jeepers · Dec 4, 2003

Nick N said:

Please stop your crossposting.
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Or what?

Jeepers · Dec 4, 2003

David J. Allen said:

This shouldn't be a civil rights argument.
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B.S.

Jeepers · Dec 4, 2003

Nick N said:

Please stop your crossposting! This has gone on to long!
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Shut up.

Jeepers · Dec 4, 2003

Sounds like the first lecture in Feminism 101. Talk about dogma! The
purpose of marriage, even to patriarchal societies, is still vital for the
purpose of raising children.
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How cute, you are a feminazi.

Steve · Dec 4, 2003

Bill said:

On Wed, 03 Dec 03 10:45:58 GMT, (Lloyd Parker)
wrote:

Why not?
It's the same block, but better (lower emissions).
Why do you want to encourage the owner from making it better by adding
more regulations and costs?
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Fortunately, even the Environut Proselytization Agency is smarter than
Lloyd....

Steve · Dec 4, 2003

C. E. White said:

Lloyd Parker wrote:

It is commendable that you have appointed yourself the voice of science. I
wonder if all scientist would agree with the appointment?
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I can answer that right now. I don't. It even says "Scientist" in my job
title. Woohoo for me.

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