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Actually I think you have it wrong. In the US, the guy with good health
insurance is liable to act just like the guy in Canada. The really rich guy in
the US, may call his persoanl assistant to get the asprin. The really poor guy
in the US may walk into the Emergency room becasue he doesn't have to worry
about paying and the asprin will therefore be "free.". The poor guy in the
middle with mediocre health insurance may just take the two asprin even though
he has the same headache every day for months and only go to the Doctor when the
tumor in his brain has grown to the size of an orange.

Ed

 

Yes, that is just the way we do it!!!!

Only 50% of the work force shows up for work on any given day because
the rest are at the hospital having some ailment or other treated!!!

Get a life! The same low-lifes that crowd your "County" ERs for free
medicare are crowding our ER for their freebies.

Most people using hospital services are their because they need to be!

Lets compare, shall we?
Can. US
Life expectancy at birth? 82.7 66.9
Inpatient Care Beds/1,000 pop 20 17
Acute Care Beds/1,000 pop 35 29

I could go on, but I won't.

The US has more practising specialists and physicians than we have here,
just nobody can get to them because they are all golfing (|>)) ours just
have to work a full day (and then some).

I have been in this system for a long time, it works. It doesn't work
perfectly for everybody, but it works. I'd rather get really sick here,
than really sick there.

Dan, from Canada

 

Or both. I imagine the same processes that do everything in US government.
We are talking about handing over health care to the same people that
give us a poor return on our money with things like 55mph speed limits,
red light cameras, shoddy roads, CAFE, and all sorts of other regulations
and poorly done jobs that are worse than doing nothing at all. Why does
anyone really want these people running health care too?

 

I know, BUT .. .. I .. .. JUST .. .. COULDN'T .. .. HELP .. .. MYSELF.

Even as I was replying, I was thinking the same thing you were but, but,
but,

|>)

Dan

 

First, please explain what a "right-web web site" is.
Second, I didn't realize a highly-regarded internet search engine
would stoop to such filtering. And as a matter of fact, they do not.
If you had bothered to look, within the first page of links, there are
articles indicating that the Canadian system works reasonably well.
But because it returns sites supporting both sides of the issue, you
claim it's right-wing? Sounds pretty "neutral" to me.
Today's google search site count is 2,350,000 sites that you haven't
seen vs one (1) eleven year old study that you have seen (and that
you keep referring to as if it were gospel).
Open that closed mind of yours and read what people are saying TODAY
before leaping to conclusions.
(And if you do, in fact, bother to do some research, and look at
CURRENT web sites supporting both sides of the issue and still feel
that it's better than the US "system" (or lack thereof), I wouldn't
disagree with you.)

 

Certainly, today, those laws are totally useless. They're completely
unsupportable. It doesn't matter who's party is in control.

Our local laws reflect our values. Our values don't derive from our laws.
That's my point. Sorry you missed it.

Stupid teenagers today are indulged with the idea that they can raise
children and are encouraged to keep them. They can go right out and sign up
for AFDC. That's the difference. Instead of being raised with the promise
a stable family they're made "baggage" from the get go.

 

Let me just add:
Can US


Infant mortality/ 1,000
live births 5 7

Prob. of dying/1,000
Age 5, Males 6 8
Age 5, Females 5 8

Age 15-59, Males 104 148
Age 15-59, Females 59 85



Total Healthcare Spending
as a % of GDP: 7.9 9.2

So you guys are spending much more money, but getting, overall, lower
results.


But it is better because it is free-market, profit-driven!

Dan

 

And yet the exodus from Canada to the US for treatment continues unabaited.
To be so bad here it is amazing that so many come here from so many
countries, giving up free care for prompt, high quality care here. You get
reallly sick there, you get a tumor that requires immediate surgery, but the
system is over budget and you're put on a six to twelve month waiting list,
and then we'll see how fast you come running to America for immediate
treatment.

 

Have you ever been to Canada?
--
Brandon Sommerville
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Definition of "Lottery":
Millions of stupid people contributing
to make one stupid person look smart.

 

To read some of this crap you'd think we were living in a third world
nation here. I guess some people like waiting 2 or more hours in the
doctor's waiting room to get looked at.
--
Brandon Sommerville
remove ".gov" to e-mail

Definition of "Lottery":
Millions of stupid people contributing
to make one stupid person look smart.

 

Err, hip and knee replacements are certainly expensive, but also
proven. Same with MRIs. Hip replacement has been around for about 40
years, knee replacement a bit less. MRI has been around since the
'70s. These are not particularly new technologies.

 

That's great. My experience in a French system was that it did fine for
everyday stuff: bandages, pain killers, antibiotics. Even then it could be
a littel scary depending on the doctor you see. I was in an accident and
hurt my hand and wrist. No big deal, but I was rushed to the hospital in a
scary ambulance ride (for sprain wrist!) and then when I got there, they
took my vitals and then took care of my hand. All went well enough until
the doctor saw my pulse rate. She thought is was too slow, dangerously so,
and so perscribed some pills (in a plastic bag) to speed my heart up. When
I got home I promply threw them away. I think my heart rate was in the
50's, which is not too slow. I felt great. No different than I ever did.

A friend of mine had a more serious condition and even though he had the
money to see a private doctor, went to the clinic. He went home in a box
because they didn't misdiagnosed his condition.

The problem was, in my view, that the best doctors wouldn't come near the
socialized system, which paid poorly and rationed care. You cannot avoid
the trade-offs of a socialized system and a private competitive system. A
private system will leave some behind. A socialized system will give
everyone less quality and quantity overall. It's true with any "product".

 

Or via taxes? Hidden costs aren't only on the US side.

 

Wrong. US life expectancy at birth was 77.2 in 2001. Canada's was 79.2
in 2001.

3.9 and 3.6 respectively.

4.0 and 3.7 respectively

If you want to just make stuff up, you can certainly do so.

 

The issue is not discrimination. Though it's useful for those who support
gay marriage because of the strategy to make it analogous with civil rights
for blacks. We discriminate against those who want to marry several
partners or animals or minors or etc. We discriminate all the time and
(hopefully) for good reason. Our laws are a reflection of our values. If
we all decide that gay marriage is cool, that's what we'll do and we'll live
with it and it's consequences. If we discriminate against gays when it
comes to marriage it's because people believe that the basic unit of our
society ought to be the family and that it ought to be preserved and
protected. Not everyone agrees with that. Fine. Vote your way.

 

Yes I have. I also have friends in Canada, England, Scotland, Japan and
Germany, and I have discussed their "free" healthcare with them many times.

 

For a local example just look at the VA hospitals.

 

You are correct about the changes that you made to my numbers. I wasn't
making them up though. I was looking at an "Appendix 2" of a document
that had the numbers in it that I quoted. I can't figure out how they
came up with the first numbers I used. When looking up some further
documentation I did discover that "Appendix 1" had numbers more in
keeping with your corrections. My numbers are for '98, '99 though.

Thanks

Dan

 

Please stop your crossposting.