How many jobs depend on the Detroit Three?

Typical UN bashing. If they had an agenda, they'd put the US at the
bottom of the list. Instead they put the US higher than most European
countries.

Why don't you find a similar list, but compiled by some US organization,
and then tell me why I would find it more credible.

 

Your statement above needs to unravelled or sorted out.

I posted the information about the Frasier Institute and quoted some
stats from one of their reports (that you seem to have ignored or are
otherwise not commenting on).

I did not make any comments previously about the Frasier Institute.
That was done by someone else.

 

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http://www.cihr-irsc.gc.ca/e/35176.html

The Canadian Institutes of Health Research (CIHR) is the Government of
Canada's agency for health research. Through CIHR, the Government of
Canada invested approximately $25.5 million in 2006-07 in research on
Canada's health-care system.

The Facts

In 2006, Canada was forecast to spend $148 billion on health care, an
average of $4,548 per Canadian and a 5.8% increase over 2005. Of this,
private-sector health spending (insurance and out-of-pocket
expenditures) was expected to increase to $44 billion in 2006,
accounting for 30% of total spending on health care.

In 2006, health-care spending was expected to amount to 10.3% of the
gross domestic product.

Hospitals remain the single largest category of spending, accounting for
almost 30% of total spending. In 2006, hospital spending was forecast at
$44 billion.

Drug expenditures were forecast to grow by 6% over 2006, accounting for
17% of total health-care spending.

In 2006, Canada was forecast to spend $19.4 billion on physician
services, up 7.1% from 2005.

Most private-sector spending was expected to go to drugs and dentistry.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_provinces_and_territories_by_gross_domestic_product

As of 2006, Canada has a total gross domestic product (GDP) of C$1.439
trillion ranking 8th in the world or (at purchasing power parity (PPP)
roughly US$1.164 trillion, ranking 12th in the world. GDP per capita —
essentially total GDP divided by population — for Canada is C$44,109 or
US$35,778, ranking 7th worldwide.
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http://www41.statcan.ca/2007/3764/ceb3764_000-eng.htm

In nominal terms, the value of all goods and services produced in Canada
in 2006 was $1.45 trillion—or just over $44,000 for every man, woman and
child in the country.
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Using the figure of $1.44 trillion as Canada's GDP for 2006, and using
$148 billion for Canada's total healthcare cost for 2006, then 148/1440
= 10.28% (or 10.3%)

This includes hospitals, doctors, drugs, even dental costs. Note: Only
reconstructive jaw or mouth surgery is covered by OHIP. Practically all
other dental work is either paid out-of-pocket (unless you're on welfare
aka social assistance) or you have private dental coverage as provided
by your employer.

I wouldn't think that the $148 billion figure would include OTC products
such as pain relievers, allergy pills, cold remedies, chicken soup,
etc.

Regarding US health care spending:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/nichsr/edu/healthecon/02_he_review.html
http://www.ptei.org/interior.php?pageID=95

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http://facts.kff.org/?CFID=33132100&CFTOKEN=43374458

Health spending in the United States averaged $7,026 per person in 2006,
totaling $2.1 trillion, or 16% of our nation's economy, up from 7.2% of
GDP in 1970 and 12.3% of GDP in 1990
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As a percentage of GDP, healthcare spending in the US seems to be rising
at the rate of somewhere between 0.5% and 1% per year for the past 3 or
4 years. From the above sources, it currently sits somewhere between
14% and 17%.

 

You must have a vastly different education system then us Ontarian's do. My
6 year old is being taught things that I wasn't taught until grade 7.

 

No, it isn't funny, it's sad. It's sad that a high school graduate can't
figure out simple math in their heads, that they have to find a calculator
to figure it out. It's sad that cashiers in fast food chains can't read the
menu, so there has to be a picture of a Big Mac on the register keys. It's
sad that a lot of posters have no idea that spelling, grammar, and sentence
structure would help them out immensely in getting an answer to there
question. But that's the American way now, isn't it? It's the dumbing of
America. God forbid that we should ever make anyone feel bad about
themselves. Soccer games with no scores kept because "there are no losers
here." I'm sure their first job will take all this into account (he said
with dripping cynicism).

 

**********We spend an inordinate amount on children with learning disorders
compared with bright children. IIRC, it is on the order of 1000:1, but
dont
quote me on that. Mind you , children with learning disorders need help,
but
we really need the bright ones to be well educated. We now spend three
times
more in equivalent dollars per student that we did a few decades ago, and
are
getting a poorer educated student.

***********
Not wrong. Here we have another problem that the children must pass the
TAKS
(Texas Assessment of Knowledge and Skills) test, and the teachers must spend
most of their time trying to "cram" the poorer students for this test than
teaching
them anything at all.

 

those studies do not include alot of small operations that sub support
the parts makers

 

Emergency room treatment and "health care" are not synonymous.

I was refused sleep clinic treatment under US insurance, even though the
doctor
said it was potentially life threatening.

I got not only the clinic evaluation but corrective treatment in Europe
under our
universal care.

Insurance companies often have a policy of refusing the first claim for
ANYTHING.

Here in the USA, doctors make a lot of money, lawyers perhaps make more, and
the medications are subject to no price controls at all.

We do not have an ideal -nor even a reasonable- health care system in the
USA
for a lot of people.

 

More than you think. Many of the ER users are not ther for emergency
treatment, but for common ailments that a family doctor or clinic should be
attending to. This is far from being efficient, but many people with no
insurance do get some treatment. We can get into the whole discussion about
self responsibility also, but that as another tangent.

You have a crappy insurance comapny. Mine will do it, no problem. My wife
had a sleep test done, my doctor wants me to have it also. No charge,
covered in our plan.

 

You are correct - it was Tim.

 

Believe me - it's justified. I won't go thru the laundry list. But the
two items at the top of my list would be the global warming lie (which,
notice, everyone has started calling "climate change" so that no matter
which way things go - BTW - things are cooling off - they can say "See -
we told you it would change!"). The second is the agreements they made
back in the 90's with the gay organizations and NAMBLA to promote
pedophilia all over the world as an acceptable thing - fortunately the
U.S. Congress blew the whistle on that when they actually passed a
resolution to not pay their U.N. dues until that crap was fixed.

 

I have had this happen with a number of insurance companies.
The companies are shit, but it is largely because Texas laws allow them to
be shit.

 

************
I dont think the legal system imposes any particularly extreme taxes on
pharmaceuticals.
The pharmas use the USA to pay the profits that they can not ramp up in
foreign
countries which negociate the prices on a governmental level.....and do so
with the
blessing of the government.



And when the Republicans in Congress passed the Medicare prescription
drug law, they protected their friends in the pharmaceutical industry
by expressly forbidding negotiating for low drug costs. Thanks,
fellows!

**************Congress in general and Republicans in particular have indeed
protected the pharma industry. Disgracefully.

 

Ever notice the proponents of government healthcare ALWAYS refer to "X"
number of people without health INSURANCE in the US? One should take note
they do not say no health COVERAGE.

One reason some people chose not to buy healthcare and another is, millions
of those without health INSURANCE in the US, get FREE healthcare in the US
through Medicaid and the Hill-Burton Act. Like global warming it is more
politics to win votes than fact.

Do you really want to pay more for everything you buy like $8 gas, to get
the second rate "free" coverage provided by the government? I know I don't

 

Likes like you even missed the never end a sentence with a preposition rule,
and a few others, in seventy grade, as well.

 

In what country?

In the US, if you're life is not at risk, then an ER doesn't have to
treat you - or they'll just make you wait for hours in the waiting room
if they think, or they know, that you don't have insurance coverage.

 

I made a statement that insurers look for ways to deny claims and I
stand by it. It is not a lie at all.

 

(1) I was referring to what Lloyd had said (Lloyd wrote: "And the costs
associated with having for-profit insurers looking for ways to deny claims."
(2) I said it was a *half truth*, not an outright lie per-se, to point
that out in this discussion because "gov't-run plan not only looks for
ways to deny claims, but dictates such without recourse". To
acknowledge one and deny the other is a half-truth (dishonest).

I never said it was a lie - just a dishonest half-truth.

 

NOT TRUE.
US law requires that an emergency room provide treatment for life
threatening or potentially life threatening items regardless of ability
to pay in any form.

And if you walk into ANY emergency room any time of day you will find
LOT'S of people there for crap that isn't close to an emergency. Bang
your shin and get a bruise, head to the ER, eat too much and get sick,
head to the ER. Have medicare or medicaid and feel like your ill, hit
the ER.
Happens ALL the time. It is the primary reason why hospitals and
insurance are so damn expensive. Kid gets a sniffle, head to the
hospital, kid has a minor fever, head to the ER.

How about this one, if you have an appointment and have no way to the
hospital, call an ambulance and say your feeling sick. ZOOM, your taken
into the ER.

I get to see this crap daily.

 

Isin't that what I just said?

And isin't that my second point?

And if you don't have insurance, they'll turn you away (if they don't -
then explain why not). And if you do have insurance, you might wait for
a few hours to be attended to.

Because a bruise, or a sick stomach, is not a life-threatening
condition.

It shouldn't, if ER's are only legally obligated to treat
life-threatening conditions without checking to see if the patient is
insured.

I doubt that's the reason.

Trivial medical conditions are not expensive to treat.

A heart attack, a broken hip, a car accident, a gun shot or knife wound
- those are expensive.

You won't see that in Canada.

And I can't see how you'd see that in the US if the patient wasn't
covered by insurance.

(and the cost of an ambulance ride, whether necessary or not, isin't a
cost to the hospital or the ER)