How long left is this 3.0 Mitsubishi?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by treeline12345, Apr 27, 2006.

  1. The problem is that I have tried to discuss this with mechanics. About
    five of them, so far. None have been able to clarify what is wrong. And
    none, and I mean none, are really enthusiastic about diagnosing this
    problem. One master mechanics, going by reputation and diplomas on his
    wall, said he would research this engine but has not gotten back to me.

    The best advice I have had is from a seller of both Japanese and
    American engines who used to rebuild them. http://www.usedengine.com/
    They are willing to warranty their engines for six months with
    unlimited mileage. They will test the engine beforehand, like a
    compression test. They are the middle ground between a salvaged engine
    and a rebuilt engine in regards to price. I did find one salvaged
    engine place that is also willing to warranty and tests the engines on
    the cars before taking them out - or so they say. They are willing to
    sell engines with 95,000 miles on them for about $250. That is quite
    inexpensive but all I would know is that the engine runs and has a
    warranty. Fine, so what do I do, send the engine back if it does not
    work by Parcel Post?

    The fellow from usedengine.com told me that a Japanese Mitsubishi
    cannot work easily in the Voyager because of the differences in the oil
    flow system. Theoretically, one could drill a 10" hole into the block
    to retrofit the Japanese engine but the odds of doing this well are
    fairly remote for even most machine shops since there is no real room
    for error. In any case, the fellow, one of the owners, used to rebuild
    engines, so he was quite familiar with this. I would prefer a 1994
    engine since the valve guide problems and oil burning were fixed by
    1994 with the use of hardened materials and other engineering fixed on
    the 3.0 liter V6 by Mitsubishi. This compounds the problem a little in
    finding a good, pre-owned engine.

    He said, why not do a exhaust chemical test on the radiator? Takes 10
    minutes and easier than checking the pressure in each individual
    cylinder. No one mentioned that here in this newsgroup or in the
    dealership or in the independent shops that I went to. A simple
    definitive test for hydrocarbons in the coolant. Anybody familiar with
    that here? Is it true it would establish a head gasket problem, as
    opposed to other problems?

    As far as my seeming discombobulated, that is because I go to the
    experts and I get a run around. Most of them seem to say, run it into
    the ground and then throw in a new engine.

    I am going to look for a mechanic who will try to use his wits and
    diagnose the vehicle as much as possible without tearing down the
    heads. That would be worthwhile to me. The cost for tearing down the
    heads is about what another engine would cost in labor. If the
    mechanic can convince me to tear down the heads, then that is fine. But
    again, none of the mechanics I have been to, either Chrysler or
    independents, seem inclined to even suggest the old-fashioned method of
    taking the engine apart to fix it because it takes too much time to be
    worthwhile to the customer. Maybe a shade tree mechanic who is curious.

    Okay, you troglodyte, now it's your turn to growl.
     
    treeline12345, May 3, 2006
    #21
  2. treeline12345

    Bret Ludwig Guest


    The bottom line if you are not a DIY person is you are better off to
    get out of the vehicle unless you are in love with it and if you are
    just buy a reman engine from the most trustworthy source and pay the
    bill. I mean you already have 200K on the vehicle, it has given you
    your money worth.

    What is this 10 inch hole the Japanese engine lacks used for? Where is
    it located? Those are questions I would be asking. Of course the hole
    is probably not 10 inches in diameter but rather is probably a 10 inch
    long oil passage of small diameter. Is engine oil used for some
    external service on the vehicle? I doubt it. Maybe there is an oil
    cooler or something, probably you could use a oil filter block off
    plate and a remote filter pad, which would also enable you to use a pad
    that takes a much cheaper Ford or Chevy Fram filter.

    Probably your heads can be fitted with the later guides. But these are
    not an engine like a SB Chev, Ford or Mopar V8 with a hot rodder
    knowledge base out there. You either keep it 100% stock or engineer
    from scratch, unlike a V8 hot rodders rebuild and race and tear up with
    a three inch catalog of catalog parts and a lot of people who know
    where it blows up, why, and the fix.
     
    Bret Ludwig, May 4, 2006
    #22
  3. treeline12345

    Bret Ludwig Guest

    diagnose the vehicle as much as possible without tearing down the
    heads. That would be worthwhile to me. The cost for tearing down the
    heads is about what another engine would cost in labor. If the
    mechanic can convince me to tear down the heads, then that is fine. But
    again, none of the mechanics I have been to, either Chrysler or
    independents, seem inclined to even suggest the old-fashioned method of
    taking the engine apart to fix it because it takes too much time to be
    worthwhile to the customer. Maybe a shade tree mechanic who is curious.

    Okay, you troglodyte, now it's your turn to growl. <<

    At today's labor rates only shade tree mechanics CAN fix rather than
    pluck and chuck on vehicles today.

    If this were a million dollar plus jet engine we would be using
    fiberoptic borescopes and other such techniques but even airlines with
    union mechanics do not figure $100 an hour as mechanics' pay. The best
    paid airline mechanics are probably taking home sixty to seventy grand
    a year. Plus benefits, et al.

    Even with the best borescopes, sonic check devices, etc nothing is
    going to give you the diagnostic results simply demating the engine and
    laying it all out on a shelf set will. You then could Magnaflux the
    crank and rods, Zyglo the heads, etc. but a visual inspection with a
    little picking and probing is enough.

    I take a hell of a lot of pride in "shade tree mechanicking". Maybe
    you should visit an EAA chapter sometime.
     
    Bret Ludwig, May 4, 2006
    #23
  4. treeline12345

    cavedweller Guest

    cavedweller, May 4, 2006
    #24
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