Headlamp bulbs - -96 LHS

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Itsfrom Click, Jan 18, 2007.

  1. Have never been satisfied with the headlight output of my ol' '96
    LHS....... Ihave them adjusted much higher than factory settings, but
    have been doing more nite driving than usual and they are really
    unsatisfactory (don't seem to have much reach, not all that bright) (or
    maybe seem worse compared to our new Ford).

    The lenses are in good shape - not fogged or crazed:

    do the bulbs just give off less light as they get old ------would it
    help things to put in new factory-type bulbs

    or are there any super-duper high output bulbs that I should try?
    (besides all the "exotics". I see Sylvania is now running tv commercials
    for some supposedly improved bulbs).

    Thanks for any advice!
     
    Itsfrom Click, Jan 18, 2007
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  2. Itsfrom Click

    Sharon Cooke Guest

    Bulbs wear out and get progressively dimmer way before total (filament
    breaks) failure. If you drive at night a lot, new bulbs once a year
    wouldn’t be excessive maintenance. I see the SilverStar Ultra ads also;
    still a marketing scam to sell blue-tinted bulbs at an outrageous price.
    If you like the Sylvania brand of bulbs, go for the XtraVision model(s).
     
    Sharon Cooke, Jan 19, 2007
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  3. I've owned a '94 LHS and a '97. The headlights on the '94 were about
    as bright with the switch in the "off" position as they were in the
    "on" and I'm not kidding when I tell you I was nervous driving the
    thing at night, especially on roads without streetlights.

    I had the original headlight assemblies swapped out for a revised
    design, under warranty, and this improved their performance
    considerably. It never had an issue with the '97, so I assume the
    problem must have been corrected sometime after your vehicle was
    built. In any event, your dealer should be able to provide you with
    more information.

    And, no question, the high-performance halogen IR lamps provide a
    noticeable boost in light output and are well worth the extra dollars.

    Cheers,
    Paul
     
    Paul M. Eldridge, Jan 19, 2007
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  4. Itsfrom Click

    Sharon Cooke Guest


    True enough on the modified Toshiba 9011 & 9012 HIR bulbs; I have the
    9011 bulbs in my (9005) high beam sockets. The increased light output is
    amazing, but will only retrofit easily to headlamps that take 9005 or
    9006 bulbs. Another thing that works well to increase headlamp light
    output is to install headlight relays, which puts close to system
    voltage at the headlight bulb sockets; just a 5% voltage increase at the
    socket will produce close to 20% more light from the filament. The
    relays can be bought just about anywhere, but the easiest thing to do is
    spend $50 or so to buy a commercially available harness from any of
    several Internet vendors.
     
    Sharon Cooke, Jan 19, 2007
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  5. Hi Sharon,

    Hmm... something about headlight relays that sends chills down my
    spine. I had so many problems with my SAAB but one that caused me
    particular anguish was the failing headlight relay (that should read
    plural, as was true for most issues with that car).

    With its demonic sense of humour and uncanny timing, it loved to play
    the "let's-see-if-we-can-get-him-to-crap-his-pants-again" game.
    Flying into a curve on Route 6 in northern Maine at 3:30 in the
    morning and ***CLICK***, total darkness.

    Sorry, won't put my life in the hands of BOSCH ever again. ;-)

    Cheers,
    Paul
     
    Paul M. Eldridge, Jan 19, 2007
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  6. Itsfrom Click

    Sharon Cooke Guest

    Well, Bosch had some problems a few years back (late '80s) and the
    reliability of its automotive relays wasn't the highest. Since I’ve
    almost always used Hella relays, I wasn’t affected. Every vehicle I own
    has had headlight relays added by me, and have had a problem with
    exactly ONE relay in 30-odd years, and that was most likely caused by me
    by mounting the relay too close to the windshield washer reservoir. In
    addition to producing more light at the bulb (at some bulb life expense,
    of course), relays also take almost all of the electrical load off the
    headlight & MF switches, either of which is a lot more trouble & expense
    than to change a $5 socketed relay.
     
    Sharon Cooke, Jan 19, 2007
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  7. Hi Sharon,

    OK, I'll accept everything you say, except that last part about the
    $5.00 relay. You've obviously forgotten this is a SAAB (you know, the
    car where every replacement part is hand crafted by Swedish elves and
    sent over here on Viking sailing ships). Those relays were over a
    $100.00 each. Yes, call me a fool for having it serviced by the
    dealer, but they (Budd's in Oakville) were the only ones I could trust
    to do the job right.

    I have to tell you I loved that car ('84 900 Turbo, black) and I took
    exceptionally fine care of it, but it bled me to death and every time
    I started it up I asked myself what fresh hell it would bring.
    Eventually, I gathered my senses and returned to Chrysler (is that
    snickering I hear among the crowd?). :-0

    Cheers,
    Paul
     
    Paul M. Eldridge, Jan 19, 2007
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    Richard Guest

    I once owned a SABB Turbo 4 door. Parts were more expensive than those for
    an expensive Italian sports car. Great seats. Never again.

    Richard.
     
    Richard, Jan 19, 2007
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  9. Hi Richard,

    I hear ya. It's a shame because there were so many things I truly
    loved about that car beyond its quirky, "ugly duckling" styling (mine
    was a two-door). A huge, wrap around window for a commanding view of
    the road; a seat you could push so far back you couldn't touch the
    pedals with the tips of your toes (and I'm 6ft 1); the kick-ass
    acceleration when you engaged the turbo; the superb handling in just
    about any kind of weather; a simple, clean, no-nonsense dash and
    instrument panel; and, yes, even the placement of the ignition key
    between the front seats. I also greatly admired the company's
    commitment to vehicle safety and its emphasis on environmental
    responsibility, long before those two things became so highly
    fashionable. But at the end of the day, that wasn't enough; I needed
    something more reliable or, failing that, a vehicle that could be
    serviced by any competent mechanic and one for which parts were both
    inexpensive and widely available.

    Twenty years later, I sometimes feel the urge to buy another SAAB but
    like you, I also remember why I swore "never again". Moreover, you
    get the impression GM has sucked the very soul out of the company and
    its products -- styling has become bland and mainstream and there
    isn't the same spark and passion. You might as well buy a Buick. :-0

    Cheers,
    Paul
     
    Paul M. Eldridge, Jan 19, 2007
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  10. Itsfrom Click

    Ford? Guest

    That's right, it's a GM European product called a SAAB.
     
    Ford?, Jan 19, 2007
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  11. Itsfrom Click

    hector Guest

    hi you might want to try the silver star i replaced the oem ones with
    silver star and so far im happy with way they seem to light up and if
    that doesn't work for you. you might want to think about investing into
    h.i.d conversion kit those will light up really bright
     
    hector, Jan 21, 2007
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  12. Itsfrom Click

    hector Guest

    hi you might want to try the silver star i replaced the oem ones with
    silver star and so far im happy with way they seem to light up and if
    that doesn't work for you. you might want to think about investing into
    h.i.d conversion kit those will light up really bright
     
    hector, Jan 21, 2007
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  13. Itsfrom Click

    hector Guest

    hi you might want to try the silver star i replaced the oem ones with
    silver star and so far im happy with way they seem to light up and if
    that doesn't work for you. you might want to think about investing into
    h.i.d conversion kit those will light up really bright
     
    hector, Jan 21, 2007
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  14. thanks for all the advice.

    I see I have to remove the panel above the headlights, and the headlight
    assemblies themselves to change the bulbs.

    I'll wait until the temp is out of the teens......which will give me
    time to shop for some good bulbs!
     
    Itsfrom Click, Jan 21, 2007
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  15. Itsfrom Click

    Joe Guest

    The bad news is, those two bolts that hold the headlight bucket in won't
    really come out. Then you'll be stuck. You might want to figure out if you
    can spray any penetrating oil on the threads ahead of time. I'm not sure
    you can actually get to them. I just know they don't come out when you want
    them to.
     
    Joe, Jan 22, 2007
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    Steve Guest

    The problem with the LHS is not the bulbs, its the lamps. They're cheap
    plastic junk with terrible optics. No amount of re-aiming will help
    (it'll just piss off oncoming drivers). And overwattage bulbs will ruin
    the lamps completely, as well as the wiring harness. About the best you
    can do is Sylvania Xtravision bulbs (NOT "Silverstar" or other
    blue-colored bulbs) or the new GE high performance bulb.

    Sorry, but that's it.
     
    Steve, Jan 22, 2007
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  17. Itsfrom Click

    Steve Guest

    It shouldn't. What sends chills down *my* spine is the fact that most
    carmakers try to get away with running the full headlamp current into
    the cabin, through all the dash wiring harness, THROUGH the very switch
    you turn with your fingers, back out through the firewall connections,
    and out to the lamps. It wastes power, heats wires, and is generally Bad
    Design (tm). I say this as an electrical engineer by profession.

    Relays are far better because they minimize the wire lengths that the
    heavy currents have to run through and guarantee a robust switch contact
    (if good relays are used).

    The fact that Saab couldn't get relays right doesn't mean that it still
    isn't a superior technique.
     
    Steve, Jan 22, 2007
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    Steve Guest

    Of course, GM Saabs are actually reasonably reliable for the first time
    in the history of the company. Whine all you want, but GM has improved
    Saab almost as much as Ford has improved Jaguar and thats a LOT.
     
    Steve, Jan 22, 2007
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  19. Hi Steve,

    I'm sure this is true. I know six individuals who own current
    generation SAABS and I haven't heard any horror stories thus far. Of
    the six, one has told me he won't be replacing his 93 with another
    SAAB at the end of his lease and another is leaning towards something
    else. The other four seem perfectly content and, in fact, one of
    these individuals owns three -- he, his wife and their daughter all
    drive a SAAB.

    So, yes, GM has done a remarkable good job in this area and deserves
    full credit.

    Cheers,
    Paul
     
    Paul M. Eldridge, Jan 22, 2007
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  20. Hi Steve,

    I'm not an engineer but all of what you say makes sense. I've only
    driven one car with a headlight relay system and, unfortunately, on
    two occasions the relay failed and one of these times I was very
    nearly killed as the result. When you beat a dog with a broom, they
    never look at it the same way again.

    Cheers,
    Paul
     
    Paul M. Eldridge, Jan 22, 2007
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