Head Gasket Leak?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Dave McCormick, Sep 29, 2004.

  1. Hi:

    Probably a repetition of earlier (and frequent) questions, but here
    goes:

    1990 3.3L Grand Voyager - lots of miles. When it gets hot, lots and
    lots of gas bubbles start appearing in the coolant overflow container.
    I've seen this before in other vehicles - I gather there can't be any
    other cause than a leaky head gasket, right? Is there any need to
    confirm this cause with any reliable test?

    Obviously when this happens (usually during some hill climbing), the
    cooling system doesn't really do its job very well and things start to
    overheat.

    Dave
     
    Dave McCormick, Sep 29, 2004
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  2. Dave McCormick

    Geoff Guest

    It probably is a head gasket leak. One reliable test you could perform
    that is also inexpensive is a compression check. It sounds like the
    leak is between one of the cylinders and a water jacket; a compression
    check would reveal one cylinder with low compression, or possibly two
    next to each other with low compression.

    I believe you can get a compression tester for under $50.

    --Geoff
     
    Geoff, Sep 29, 2004
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  3. Dave McCormick

    Joe Pfeiffer Guest

    His car has already flunked a pretty reliable test of head gasket
    integrity....

    I once had a car with a blown head gasket that flunked the bubble test
    but had compression within specs on all cylinders.
     
    Joe Pfeiffer, Sep 29, 2004
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  4. Dave McCormick

    Geoff Guest

    Really? Did you find the source of the leak?

    I agree, the overheating and bubbling into the coolant reservoir is
    probably enough to condemn a headgasket in this case. I understand there are also kits you
    can get that will detect the presence of exhaust gasses in the coolant; these can be used
    to confirm a head gasket diagnosis when the problem is less obvious.

    But a bubbler that passed a compression check, eh? Wow. I didn't know
    that could happen. Did one of the cylinders have lower compression than
    the others, but still read nominally within spec?

    --Geoff
     
    Geoff, Sep 29, 2004
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  5. Other thing to ask the OP is if he is using proper mix of coolant or just
    water, as water will boil over and cause similar symptoms to headgasket
    failure. Also check cooling system performance, perhaps the radiator is not
    performing properly and/or the cooling fan is inoperative.
     
    The Bathtub Admiral, Sep 30, 2004
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  6. Dave McCormick

    jdoe Guest

    Have you tried a pressure test of the system and the cap? There is also a
    test that's run that detects the presence of CO in the radiator. Have these
    things done first it may be a simple fix. The engine might also be running a
    little hot due to a bad stat, or partly clogged radiator a bad hose etc.
    Either way don't start yanking it apart until you run some simple
    inexpensive tests.
    Larry
     
    jdoe, Sep 30, 2004
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  7. When the headgasket blew on my Dodge Spirit with a 2.5, all of the
    coolant would get pushed into the recovery resevoir causing the engine
    to overheat. Right before having it fixed, I would have to empty the
    resevoir into the radiator once or twice a day. The spark plugs also
    showed evidence of anti-freeze getting into the cylinder.

    -Kirk Matheson
     
    Kirk Matheson, Sep 30, 2004
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  8. Dave McCormick

    maxpower Guest

    sure you can verify this with a test, pull the coil connector and connect
    shop air to each cyl one at a time with the radiator cap off, crank the
    engine and you will see the coolant blow back thru the radiator, this will
    indicate a blown gasket/cracked head, normally cyl 3 and 4 are the faulty
    ones if the head is warped, but check all cyl's the coolant passages may be
    blown into the combustion sytem

    Glenn Beasley
    Chrysler Tech
     
    maxpower, Oct 9, 2004
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  9. Dave McCormick

    Mandrake Guest

    consider also that this could be caused by a cracked cyl head..



    Really? Did you find the source of the leak?

    I agree, the overheating and bubbling into the coolant reservoir is
    probably enough to condemn a headgasket in this case. I understand there
    are also kits you
    can get that will detect the presence of exhaust gasses in the coolant;
    these can be used
    to confirm a head gasket diagnosis when the problem is less obvious.

    But a bubbler that passed a compression check, eh? Wow. I didn't know
    that could happen. Did one of the cylinders have lower compression than
    the others, but still read nominally within spec?

    --Geoff
     
    Mandrake, Oct 10, 2004
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  10. Dave McCormick

    Joe Pfeiffer Guest

    It was a cracked cylinder head (note your suggestion above!).
    Mitsubishi 2.6, with the famed intake-valve-too-close-to-exhaust-valve
    head crack.
    I don't remember that much detail on it, sorry.
     
    Joe Pfeiffer, Oct 11, 2004
    #10
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